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Topic: Is Science a Religion?
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 301 of 313 (383097)
02-06-2007 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 296 by NosyNed
02-06-2007 8:35 PM
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Re: Morals
Is a conscious something that is scientific? Have scientists even proven that an unbiased human never exposed to religious thought would even have something called a conscious. Do you believe cannibalism is immoral? If you do you are obviously not from Indonesia where such a thing was once practiced. Why is it that morals came to the world after the religions did?
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 302 of 313 (383102)
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 299 by kuresu
02-06-2007 8:39 PM
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Re: Quit making stuff up
You may have morals; but where do they come from? Have you ever read Hitler's book. He believed that all of the modern morals were all brought to this world through religion (namely the Jews). He executed as many Jews as he could to eliminate morality from the world. He did not believe that it was wrong to kill because he did not believe in any religion. How would you argue with Hitler?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 303 of 313 (383103)
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 301 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:11 PM
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And the Gish Gallop continues.
Why is it that morals came to the world after the religions did? Morality, like all knowledge, is a learned behavior. There is NO evidence that morals came after the religions. Try to stick to the topic.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 304 of 313 (383105)
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 303 by jar
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
I am not off topic. Science holds with certain morals. Morals are purely the invention of religion. A proof to this is the fact that religions came to the world before morals. Did I jump off topic at all?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 305 of 313 (383106)
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 302 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:18 PM
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Galloping off.
You may have morals; but where do they come from? Have you ever read Hitler's book. He believed that all of the modern morals were all brought to this world through religion (namely the Jews). He executed as many Jews as he could to eliminate morality from the world. He did not believe that it was wrong to kill because he did not believe in any religion. How would you argue with Hitler? You may have morals; but where do they come from? Have you ever read Hitler's book. He believed that all of the modern morals were all brought to this world through religion (namely the Jews). He executed as many Jews as he could to eliminate morality from the world. He did not believe that it was wrong to kill because he did not believe in any religion. How would you argue with Hitler?
Actually, not true. Hitler said that the Final Solution was a Christian effort.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 306 of 313 (383107)
02-06-2007 10:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 304 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
I am not off topic. Science holds with certain morals. Morals are purely the invention of religion. A proof to this is the fact that religions came to the world before morals. Did I jump off topic at all? That is simply too funny. The actual facts are that Science does have a Code of Ethics where it is obvious Biblical Creationists don't.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2534 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 307 of 313 (383109)
02-06-2007 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 304 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:21 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
that's not a proof. that's an assertion. prove that religion came before morals.
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 308 of 313 (383110)
02-06-2007 10:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 295 by subbie
02-06-2007 8:34 PM
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Re: Quit making stuff up
It is you who scare me. You don't kill because you think it is moral not to. What would be if a person killed your relative that you loved? Would you think that it is a moral thing to kill him now?
If so, who is more dangerous? me or you?
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 309 of 313 (383111)
02-06-2007 10:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 306 by jar
02-06-2007 10:26 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
Please explain yourself. I see big religious books which describe the code of ethics.
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Open MInd
Member (Idle past 1275 days) Posts: 261 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 310 of 313 (383113)
02-06-2007 10:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 307 by kuresu
02-06-2007 10:28 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
Do you know how morals could "evolve"? Morals are not facts. Science should exclude morals. Morals came from religion. Why is it that the human animal is the only "moral" animal around?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 311 of 313 (383114)
02-06-2007 10:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 309 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:30 PM
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Re: And the Gish Gallop continues.
To work in Science you must abide by a Code of Ethics. If you breach the standard you are sanctioned, often kicked out of the profession. On the other hand, Clergy, Pastors, Preachers and particularly Televangelists are free to lie all they want and the profession never sanctions them. They are allowed to continue teaching lies like the Bible is literally true or that there was Special Creation or that there was a flood with impunity.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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subbie
Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: 02-26-2006
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Message 312 of 313 (383115)
02-06-2007 10:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 308 by Open MInd
02-06-2007 10:28 PM
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Re: Quit making stuff up
Would it be moral to kill in revenge? No. Would it be moral to kill in defense of my family's lives? To protect them from harm? Yes. What's scary about that?
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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AdminSchraf
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Message 313 of 313 (383116)
02-06-2007 10:41 PM
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good night, Gracie
Closin' er down. Please feel free to propose a continuation topic.
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