The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)

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No, but my point jar is you say you are a Christian but then claim Christianity is a force for evil. Are you then a force for evil?

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I can say that I am an American, but that my government has, at times, been a force for evil.That doesn't make me evil, it just means that I recognize that my government has not always acted in the way it should.

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Christians believe that everyone is bad

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...and that's why I am really, really glad I am not a Christian anymore.As an unbeliever, I am allowed to believe in my own intrinsic goodness.You have it too, iano, you have just allowed your religion to convince you that you are nothing. I find that heartbreakingly sad.

Of course, we humans have exactly the same ability as God to discern the difference between Good and Evil, because Adam and Eve ate of the Tree.So, we are able to judge God's actions, as we are "as Gods" in that ability....that is, if you believe a plain, common-sense reading of Genesis.

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Crusades are still a disgrace upon the church.

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So, are you saying that for the period that the Crusades were going on, all of the people who participated in them or supported them who called themselves Christian were actually lying?They were actually some other religion, or were Athiests?

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Most of what you wrote was pure drivel, but exactly how is the religious right "oppressing" you or anyone?

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My gay friends cannot get married, and therefore their children suffer, because of the Religious Right.The Religious Right actively suppresses the teaching of science in public schools as much as it can.The Religious Right has actively prevented the FDA from approving various birth control methods, such as emergency contraception.The Religious Right has blocked scientific research.The Religious Right is grabbing my tax dollars in the form of federal grants and school vouchers which they use, in part, to evangelize to people.

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Your gay friends can get married, but marriage is by definition between a man and a woman. Why not support civil unions to give gays the benefits of marriage without redefining it?

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1) The Religious Right has imposed it's will on everyone in the country by deciding for all of us what the definition of marriage is.2) The Religious Right opposes domestic partner/civil unions for homosexuals too. Remember the RR boycott of Disney?

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The religious right supports real science education, not the passing on of fantasies and propaganda and calling it science.

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The courts have determined the opposite, repeatedly finding that their efforts to supporess science and/or teach their own version of science is, in fact, religious indoctrination and suppression of science. The Religious Right seeks to be the arbiter of what can and cannot be called science, based purely upon religious dogma.

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Never heard of most of the religious right being against birth control. I think you are just wacked.

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The Morning-After Pill and Plan B are forms of emergency contraception, and the RR opposes both.

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There is opposition to RU-40 or whatever it is called for health reasons and the idea it kills after pregnancy.

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Abortion is legal in this country, so blocking RU-486 because it may "kill after pregnancy" is oppression.Those in the Religious Right have the power to block the release of this drug/procedure purely upon their own personal religious views.

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Religious right has blocked some research on ethical grounds. So has the non-religious Left. Nearly everyone believes some medical research is unethical. I suspect even you do. You just choose to demonize those that disagree with you.

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Of course I agree that some medical research, if conducted, would be unethical.However, I also disagree with hypocritical ethics.

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The Religious Right supports tax and spending cuts and so supports taking less of your tax dollars than what people like yourself wish to do.

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Irrelevant to the point I made.The Religious Right wants to, and has, taken my tax dollars and used them to indoctrinate people into their religion, and if they could, they would institute a school voucher system to take many more of my tax dollars and indoctrinate children into their religion.That is Unamerican and oppressive..

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So basically your argument is that Christianity is more barbaric than Islam because it does not accept homosexuality?

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Is that it, shraf[sic]?

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No.My point was to show how Christianity, and in specific, the Radical Religious Right oppresses people, and I have shown that.It uses my tax money to indoctrinate people into their religion.It has presumed to decide for me and everyone else in the country what the definition of civil marriage is based upon their religious beliefs.It seeks to decide for me and everyone else in the country what is and isn't science based upon their religious beliefs.The RRR has blocked access to emergency contraception for no other reason than those in power to do so personally reject to it on religious grounds.Now, the reason I bring up these examples is to show that the RRR does, indeed, oppress people if they can; if they are in the position to do so, even though you claimed that nobody was being oppressed by them.

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No, they don't oppress people. They have different political views from you.

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...which causes them to limit many of my and others' freedoms on the basis of their religious beliefs.I call that oppression.

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What is unAmerican is for you to demonize legitimate political differences as oppression.

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When it is oppression, I call it oppression.There is no reasonable secular legal, constitutional reason to block the release of emergency contraception. The only reason to block it is to impose one's own religious views upon everyone else.

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The truth is the Left is far more "oppressive" under those standards. They propose taking more money from people via higher taxes,

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...to provide services that everyone uses and needs, like the military, infrastructure like roads, police and firefighers and EMT's, national wilderness areas and parklands, public schools, etc.I would be happy to pay MORE taxes if the rich paid their fair share. But they currently do not pay their fair share. Their overall tax burden as a percentage of their income is proportionaltely lower than what the middle class pays.

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and this includes the poor as well as the rich (gas taxes and FICA).

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If rich people paid their fair share of taxes, the middle class and the poor wouldn't be getting poorer like they are now, and the right wouldn't be able to be continuing to become richer, like they are now.

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They propose all sorts of safety laws oppressing people.....heck, they even "oppress" children by demanding they wear helmets when biking.
get the drift.....

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That is hardly the same kind of thing and you know it.

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The RR is not oppressing anyone.

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If there were a small group of Conservative, radical Jews that became powerful in the US, and they started to pass laws which restricted the sale of pork, would you consider them to be oppressing the majority of US citizens who dod not follow Jewish dietary laws?

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They believe outlawing abortion is, for example, saving a life. So the motive is saving a life, not oppression.

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Motive matters not at all in deciding if it is oppression or not.Those nice Jewish people I mentioned above just want all of us to follow God's law. They are doing us a favor by banning all pork in the US. They are only concerned about our eternal souls, so it's not oppression.Right?

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If there were a small group of Conservative, radical Jews that became powerful in the US, and they started to pass laws which restricted the sale of pork, would you consider them to be oppressing the majority of US citizens who do not follow Jewish dietary laws?

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I challenge you to cite one verse in the entire NT that advocates violence by followers of Jesus and his desciples.

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MatthewJesus said: In other words, people who do these listed evils, and those who accept them, should be put to death.