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New Cat's Eye
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Message 211 of 245 (596176)
12-13-2010 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by frako
12-10-2010 7:34 PM


You still have to ask on witch dates.
What is it about being on a date with a witch that is required for asking those questions?
But it doesn't have to be recorded in this, right?:
And instead, couldn't you just use No webpage found at provided URL: this website ?
I hope you can laugh at your own engrish...
Its "which" not "witch"
Oh, and the other one I see from you a lot is using "tough" instead of "though". The first one is pronounced "tuff", an adjective meaning strong, and and the second one is "thowe", the conjunction you want to be using.
But I see you have added caps and spacing and quotes and paragraphs n'stuff so thank you for that!
Just havin a little fun with you, frako... I couldn't pass up a great line. You haft ask on witch dates. lulz

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Message 212 of 245 (596196)
12-13-2010 6:57 PM
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12-13-2010 5:11 PM


Just havin a little fun with you, frako... I couldn't pass up a great line. You haft ask on witch dates. lulz
Lol yea English was my second foreign language in school and i got by in it with my ability to speak English not write it. I can speak fluently thanx to cartoon network lol and other English channels tough i never had a real need to write in English and what i have learned i forgot.
The problem with writing in English for me is i do not get the logic behind it, in German it is easy i just substitute things like sch for our , and i keep in mind that f sounds like our v and v sounds like our f when you write in German tough when you use them they in an alphabet they sound the same as ours. (German was my first foreign language so i had to learn how to write in it, tougher to pass)
The strange part is i could speak English when i was very young around 8 probably younger, and German 2 years later (my mother made me watch German channels cause German was the first foreign language in my primary school)
To not stray to far off topic.
Political correctness has gone way to far in your country, i get that handicaps do not want to be called invalids (cause they are not invalid) i have no problem with that i have no problem with any other culture not wanting to be called something they find offensive. But who the F$%# gets offended if you wish him merry Christmas, If someone would say happy Hanuka or whatever their holiday is id say thank you and a marry Christmas to you too, or thank you happy Hanuka to you to, or thank you i am not Jewish but happy Hanuka to you to. I would most definitively not get offended in any way, and if someone does get offended well tough luck be offended.
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Message 213 of 245 (596217)
12-13-2010 8:34 PM
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12-13-2010 6:57 PM


Logic? What logic?
frako writes:
The problem with writing in English for me is i do not get the logic behind it, ..
Logic? There isn't any.
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frako
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Message 214 of 245 (596221)
12-13-2010 9:03 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by nwr
12-13-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Logic? What logic?
Logic? There isn't any.
and that is the problem,
in Slovenian it is relatively simple you write it the way it sounds and keep in mind that that a few formations of letters produce a different sound (this is not totally true but close enough), in German it is relatively the same you write the word the way it sounds (also not totally true but close enough) serbs write the way it sounds and in their case it is totally true, You English people stick in letters that do not belong and say this is how it is spelled.
Why it is not totally true for German and Slovenian well our word for in is V and it is red as we read U. And similar cases for German and the fact that Germans use more combined letters to produce a different sound like sch is our your shhhh as in the first sound of the word shit tough nothing to the extreme English language goes to.
and since you sometimes put letters that do not belong i sometimes put a few extra just to be sure, and sometimes you twist the letters yust for fun so i do it to
like say differently
i would spell it difrently like the way you say it
This probably has to do with the origins of the English written language where words like fish where spelled totally differently in the instance of fish it was spelled gothi or goti
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Message 215 of 245 (596222)
12-13-2010 9:08 PM
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12-13-2010 9:03 PM


Re: Logic? What logic?
frako writes:
This probably has to do with the origins of the English written language
It is probably because English is a polyglot language (something that evolved out of a mixture of several languages).
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Message 216 of 245 (596233)
12-13-2010 10:22 PM
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12-13-2010 9:03 PM


Re: Logic? What logic?
Not logic, but rather history. Languages change over time, especially spoken language. Basically, when a language acquires a written form, it gets written as it sounded when the system of writing was created, kind of like a snapshot of the language. Over time, the spoken language continues to change while the written language remains the same, so over time the language's fit (how closely spelling matches pronounciation) worsens. Periodically, the academic authorities of the language have a language reform in which they bring the written language up-to-date, which includes making changes to spelling among other things.
German went through a language reform recently. So did Dutch. So did Spanish, which has excellent fit. It has been a very long time since English has.
Of course, it's not quite that simple. Several factors can come into play. Also, the academicians could decide to keep a spelling which reflects the history of the word. For example, the Old English word for "light" (not heavy) was "leoht", in which the "h" sounded like the German "ch", so we retain that "h" as a "gh". The same with "night", etc. And the reason for the "k" in "knight" is because the word (related to German "Knecht") originally pronounced that "k".
I have often wondered about your English. Since you frequently go with phonetic (and wrong) spelling, I would assume that you can speak English rather well. Most non-English speakers I've encountered use the right spellings. You, on the other hand, write more like a native speaker. Which is not intended as a compliment, but take it as you will.
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Message 217 of 245 (596235)
12-13-2010 10:43 PM


Somebody needs to start that "Evolution of Languages" topic
It doesn't even need a wonderful message 1 - Just start something.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 218 of 245 (596707)
12-16-2010 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by frako
12-13-2010 6:57 PM


Political correctness has gone way to far in your country,
Indeed.
i get that handicaps do not want to be called invalids (cause they are not invalid) i have no problem with that i have no problem with any other culture not wanting to be called something they find offensive. But who the F$%# gets offended if you wish him merry Christmas,
The same people that have pushed political correctness too far, I suppose. But my point throughout this thread was that it isn't offensive to wish someone a Merry Christmas, and that your not imposing your religions on them by doing so.
If someone would say happy Hanuka or whatever their holiday is id say thank you and a marry Christmas to you too, or thank you happy Hanuka to you to, or thank you i am not Jewish but happy Hanuka to you to. I would most definitively not get offended in any way, and if someone does get offended well tough luck be offended.
Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas".

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Message 219 of 245 (596708)
12-16-2010 4:02 PM
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12-16-2010 3:58 PM


Exactly. There's no good reason to have to avoid using the phrase "Merry Christmas".
And there is no good reason to require it either, as some seem to want to do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 220 of 245 (596710)
12-16-2010 4:04 PM
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12-16-2010 4:02 PM


And there is no good reason to require it either, as some seem to want to do.
Show me someone who wants to require it.
And then show me how that has anything to do with my point.

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Message 221 of 245 (596712)
12-16-2010 4:17 PM
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12-16-2010 4:04 PM


Bill Oreilly seems to.
quote:
What is it about Christmas that so offends the happy holidays people? Why not Merry Christmas? There is a line in Shakespeare’s Hamlet that answers that question. In this line, the Queen says, The lady doth protest too much, me thinks. The loud-ness and shrillness of the Christmas protestors gives them away. We must ask If there’s nothing to Christian-ity as many of these folks believe, why make such a fuss? It would appear they are either terrified at the thought that the Bible might be true so they want it out of sight and out of mind or their distaste for Christ is so strong they just can’t bear the thought of millions openly, publicly celebrating His birth. Driven by their angst for Christmas, it seems clear that these people will never rest until every vestige of religious expression is eradicated from the Ameri-can landscape.
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Julie West is tired of being wished "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas." She's annoyed with department stores that use "Season's Greetings" banners,
http://www.usatoday.com/...tion/2004-12-21-holidaysuit_x.htm
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Which was a big part of the newest rendition of this thread.
That seems to be what I found in a quick Google search.
Your point was that people shouldn't be ashamed to say "Merry Christmas". I am pointing out that there is a counter to that. People shouldn't feel they are required to say "Merry Christmas". The point you are making does not exist in a vacuum.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 222 of 245 (596715)
12-16-2010 4:33 PM
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12-16-2010 4:17 PM


That seems to be what I found in a quick Google search.
None of which showed people wanting to require it.
Your point was that people shouldn't be ashamed to say "Merry Christmas". I am pointing out that there is a counter to that. People shouldn't feel they are required to say "Merry Christmas". The point you are making does not exist in a vacuum.
BFD
Your point is unimportant in irrelevant. Besides, nobody is saying that it should be required.

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Message 223 of 245 (596718)
12-16-2010 4:41 PM
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12-16-2010 4:33 PM


Besides, nobody is saying that it should be required.
But lets complain about people that don't and boycott companies that don't.
Aren't you splitting hairs?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 224 of 245 (596724)
12-16-2010 4:53 PM
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12-16-2010 4:41 PM


But lets complain about people that don't and boycott companies that don't.
Aren't you splitting hairs?
Are you even reading what I write?
My point is that the people who are offended or complain about being greeted with "Merry Christmas" are wrong for it.

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Message 225 of 245 (596725)
12-16-2010 4:55 PM
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12-16-2010 4:53 PM


Are those who are offended or complain about not being greeted with "Merry Christmas" wrong for it?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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