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Author Topic:   Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God?
jar
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Message 286 of 299 (274008)
12-29-2005 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 9:32 PM


Re: Looser Filibuster?
Judaism, Islam and Christianity all were inspired by the God of Abraham and Isaac.
Now you claim, without providing any evidence, that the only way to worship GOD is through Jesus.
Is Jesus a separate God from GOD?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 287 of 299 (274014)
12-29-2005 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by nwr
12-29-2005 9:19 PM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
nwr writes:
They are human, aren't they?
That they are, but according to Biblical scripture, their prophecies did not fail, nor did they contradict one another.
nwr writes:
That they are fallible does not guarantee that they will fail. It simply says that there is no guarantee that they won't fail.
That they never had a failure nor did they contradict one another or any other Biblical prophet who's prophecies also did not fail is indicative that they were all inspired by the same and the true god.
As per the thread title and OP, and as per common sense and logic, that the prophets Jesus and Muhammed grossly contradicted one another is, on the other hand, indicative that they were not inspired by the same god/spirit.
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Message 288 of 299 (274025)
12-29-2005 10:19 PM
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12-29-2005 9:46 PM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
buzsaw writes:
That they never had a failure nor did they contradict one another or any other Biblical prophet who's prophecies also did not fail is indicative that they were all inspired by the same and the true god.
Maybe you think the pope is infallible, too.

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Message 289 of 299 (274028)
12-29-2005 10:24 PM
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12-29-2005 9:40 PM


jar writes:
Judaism, Islam and Christianity all were inspired by the God of Abraham and Isaac.
Says Jar, who has failed miserably to make any logical sense by his arguments or logically answer objections to his claims.
Now you claim, without providing any evidence, that the only way to worship GOD is through Jesus.
1. According to Jesus, the prophet of the true god, Jehovah, he is the only way to the true god, Jehovah.
2. According to Jesus, this applies only to the Christian dispensation. John 16:23, 24 says, "If you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name. Hitherto you have asked nothing in my name. ask and you shall receive, that your joy might be full."
3. I have no evidence, outside of the fact that according to NT scripture, Jesus said it. It works wonderfully for me and my Christian brothers and sisters who also believe these words of Jesus and his apostles who corroborated it, but that is evidence to me, not you, until you experience it for yourself. Go for it, my adversarical friend!
jar writes:
Is Jesus a separate God from GOD?
He is the virgin born son of the one true god via the Holy Spirit of the one true god, Jehovah. What's your point and how does this question pertain to the topic title or OP?

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jar
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Message 290 of 299 (274030)
12-29-2005 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 10:24 PM


Re: Lack of Evidence.
buz writes:
I have no evidence, outside of the fact that according to NT scripture, Jesus said it.
Yes,you are correct. There is no evidence other that the Christian assertion. The Jews also make similar assertions as do the Muslims. So until you can provide some evidence, there is no way to tell whether one or none of the assertions have any value.
He is the virgin born son of the one true god via the Holy Spirit of the one true god, Jehovah.
So Jesus is GOD? Or is he a separate God. Are you a monotheist or polytheist?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 291 of 299 (274033)
12-29-2005 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by nwr
12-29-2005 10:19 PM


Pope?
nwr writes:
Maybe you think the pope is infallible, too.
There's only one holy father and his name is Jehovah, according to scripture, including the Catholic Bible. So much for alleged infallibility of the holy father imposter some folks revere.
Edited to fix spelling.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-29-2005 10:39 PM

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Message 292 of 299 (274038)
12-29-2005 10:49 PM
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12-29-2005 10:34 PM


Re: Lack of Evidence.
jar writes:
So Jesus is GOD? Or is he a separate God. Are you a monotheist or polytheist?
What did I say? Read and count again. Jesus is the only begotten/born son of the one true god, Jehovah. Your skills in both reading and counting are appearing to be defficient. If you need more help with these, feel free. What tha hey, the thread's about spent anyhow.
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jar
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Message 293 of 299 (274039)
12-29-2005 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 10:49 PM


Re: Lack of Evidence.
Jesus is the only begotten/born son of the one true god, Jehovah.
That is not clear buz. Is Jesus God? Simple question buz.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 294 of 299 (274042)
12-29-2005 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by jar
12-29-2005 10:52 PM


Comprehension Skills Helps.
That is not clear buz. Is Jesus God? Simple question buz.
Problems in comprehension skills also? Mmm, man, you need help! Which word in "only begotten son" don't you understand?

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jar
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Message 295 of 299 (274043)
12-29-2005 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 11:04 PM


Re: Comprehension Skills Helps.
So buz says Jesus is not God but only God's son. Right? Jesus is not a real God.
Is that what you're saying?
This message has been edited by jar, 12-29-2005 10:10 PM

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Message 296 of 299 (274050)
12-29-2005 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by jar
12-29-2005 11:07 PM


Re: Comprehension Skills Helps.
jar writes:
So buz says Jesus is not God but only God's son. Right? Jesus is not a real God.
Is that what you're saying?
Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God?
You have my forthright Biblical answer, so far as the remote relationship this subject may have to the thread topic. If you want to discuss the functions, word semantics and statuses of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, open a thread on it and find someone willing to engage you on the topic.

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jar
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Message 297 of 299 (274052)
12-29-2005 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 11:21 PM


Re: Comprehension Skills Helps.
Why are you so unwilling to answer questions that are pertinent to your topic?
It's an easy question buz. Is the statement found in the Nicene Creed correct?
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Being of one substance with the Father.
Is Jesus God or is he a separate individual?
You have said that there is only one GOD. Are you saying that Jesus is a false God? Sure sounds like it.
You only have a few choices.
There is one GOD and Jesus of the same substance as that God.
There is only one God and Jesus is but a prophet.
There is only one God and Jesus is a false god.
There is more than one God and Jesus is one of them.
So once again, is Jesus God?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 298 of 299 (274053)
12-29-2005 11:33 PM


Thanks Folks!
Thanks very much, all of you who've contributed your part to make this a lively, informative and interesting thread. Regardless of whether anyone's minds have been changed, I truly believe that anyone, Muslim, Jew, Christian and all others who have followed the thread or who've contributed to it have learned something to enrich and widen our scope of knowledge and understanding, regardless of the positions we espouse.
Go with god, Jehovah that is!

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Message 299 of 299 (274057)
12-29-2005 11:39 PM


Closing thread.
We are at about 300. This seems like a good time to close, and allow buzsaw's "Thanks" to be the final word


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