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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Where are all the atheists who denounce having to mention a God they don't believe in? Well, here's one, for starters. It would be nice if I could live in a society where I wasn't considered the crazy one for refusing to believe in Santa Claus for grownups, and didn't have to hear from people like you about how I can't apparently hear music, or something, unless I bow to your magical sky-man. (My ears and eyes work just fine, thank you, and a sunset is no less glorious simply because I understand how light from a star refracts through atmosphere.)
So, is christianity a crutch or an indulgence, huh? Of course it is. How many believers do you know who talk about their faith being the only thing that saw them through a difficult time? Your people are falling all over themselves to tell me, and tell each other, how they use faith as a crutch - as in, something to be leaned on. Isn't that exactly how your religion is described?
If only they could find a gene which explains all of this 'unnatural' tendency towards religion, and quit focusing on the unnatural tendencies towards homosexuality. One step ahead of you. Aren't you aware that there's a portion of the brain that, when stimulated (by meditation, for instance, or drugs), produces precisely the same feelings of religious euphoria and spirituality experienced by believers? Stop going to church and get yourself some 'shrooms. Shortcut to exactly the same feeling, as it turns out.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Whether you think humans have a god-sense or not is bunk, because you are discussing one. I can discuss Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theories even if there was no conspiracy.I can also discuss god-sense theories even if there is no god-sense. So, is christianity a crutch or an indulgence, huh? Not necessarily. Sometimes.
But most of them don't deny God, any more than a mosquito does. But the ones in this topic DO What poster in this thread has denied God?
... if atheism wants to have a name for itself, it will speak out against these outrages. As far as I know, atheism doesn't want to make a name for itself.
Where are all the atheists who denounce having to mention a God they don't believe in? **shrug** You believe in 'em. You find 'em. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Of course, making up a religion is how the unscrupulous make money. "God-sense" has nothing to do with it. I'd say most religions have a lot more to do with OCD. As far as I know, OCD is strictly Catholic. it is the Order of Carmelites Discalced, the Barefoot Carmelites, of which I was a member. If you mean OCD, as in; obsessive cumpulsive disorder, you are making my point very relevent. You think that religion is a mal-function, and are thus very close to the Hitler mentality that the Jews were genetically defficient.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
nator writes: Does that mean that we are all racists when we are born and we would all be racists even if nobody ever taught us to be? I think so. We seem to be having the most difficulty teaching each other not to be, and not learning, so it must be natural to stick up for our own tribe.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: I can also discuss god-sense theories even if there is no god-sense. YOU are the one who said there was a 'god-sense' in higher life-forms.
Not necessarily. Sometimes. Choice, please? Crutch or indulgence?
What poster in this thread has denied God? The OP, come on now. But let's make our own 'challenge'. I challenge anyone on this board to deny God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
As far as I know, atheism doesn't want to make a name for itself. Please review the OP.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: Well, here's one, for starters. It would be nice if I could live in a society where I wasn't considered the crazy one for refusing to believe in Santa Claus for grownups, and didn't have to hear from people like you about how I can't apparently hear music, or something, unless I bow to your magical sky-man. (My ears and eyes work just fine, thank you, and a sunset is no less glorious simply because I understand how light from a star refracts through atmosphere.) Crash, I have been there. I have listened to music for its own sake, and have found so much beauty that I could not out a finger on it. I was an artist, and a poet, and I was forced to realize that the only way to define beauty is God. You may certainly partake, but my original idea was that to shut yourself from religion was to shut yourself off from understanding so much of the symbolism of art.
Of course it is. How many believers do you know who talk about their faith being the only thing that saw them through a difficult time? Your people are falling all over themselves to tell me, and tell each other, how they use faith as a crutch - as in, something to be leaned on. Isn't that exactly how your religion is described? It was a question, a choice. Crutch, or indulgence? I have heard about as many believers claim that religion gets them by as I have heard alcoholics claim drink gets them by. But religion, like alcohol, may be a simple pleasure enjoyed by the eclectic.
One step ahead of you. Aren't you aware that there's a portion of the brain that, when stimulated (by meditation, for instance, or drugs), produces precisely the same feelings of religious euphoria and spirituality experienced by believers? Stop going to church and get yourself some 'shrooms. Shortcut to exactly the same feeling, as it turns out. Been there, done that as well. Shrooms con't compare.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: YOU are the one who said there was a 'god-sense' in higher life-forms. I don't know where you got that from. I stated pretty plainly that I don't think there is one.I used "lower" life forms as an example that "god-sense" is not natural. Choice, please? Crutch or indulgence? For some people it's a crutch, for some an indulgence. Maybe some people switch off on alternate Tuesdays. I said "not necessarily" because there might be other possibilities too. I dont think natural, built-in "god-sense" is one of the possibilites.
As far as I know, atheism doesn't want to make a name for itself. Please review the OP. As far as I know, the OP doesn't represent atheists any more than Long John Silver represents Christians. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2544 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
[qs]I challenge anyone on this board to deny God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.[q/s]
why? what's the point?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You think that religion is a mal-function I don't think it's a malfunction. I think it's our brains doing exactly what they evolved to do - seek explanations and patterns in complex phenomena. It turns out that if you operate that part of your brain without an epistemological framework like the scientific method (or something similar) you "discover" connections that aren't there, like "I always win at pool when I play stripes" or "I get laid more often when I wear my lucky underwear" or "if I pray to God, I won't die of cancer." But come on. You don't look at things like praying the rosary or stations of the cross, and see the fingerprints of OCD all over that stuff? Clearly most religious ritual comes from people with legitimate mental illness in the form of compulsions. But religious faith in general comes from the all-too-human need to seek relationships to events that happen in proximity.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
kuresu writes: why? what's the point? There is none, as there is none in the 'blasphemy challenge'. Btw, you failed.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Crashfrog writes: But come on. You don't look at things like praying the rosary or stations of the cross, and see the fingerprints of OCD all over that stuff? No, not really. The rosary is said to be from St Dominic, in an apparition. You can check him for OCD if you wish, or Mary. Stations of the cross in no way qualify as an obsession, are not the norm, or the requirement in christianity, or catholicism.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I was forced to realize that the only way to define beauty is God. Nonsense, and I already explained why this isn't true. Honestly I don't see the first thing in your post that's an actual response to what I wrote - just more of the insulting arrogance of the believer, who claims sole dominion over the best of man's achievements but no responsibility for its greatest evils.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
No, not really. The rosary is said to be from St Dominic, in an apparition. And you believe them? LOL!
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: Again: I'm claiming that atheism is the natural state - witnessed by the fact that "lower" forms of life have no "god sense". And yes, 'god-sense' is not natural. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: And yes, 'god-sense' is not natural. So you agree that god-sense is not natural? Do you also agree that it is learned? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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