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ReverendDG
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Message 106 of 120 (299993)
04-01-2006 3:02 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
04-01-2006 12:56 AM


Re: Evolution of Religious Thought: Sikhism
lol i've gave this thread a shot a number of times since it sounds interesting, but if all we get is blocks and blocks of text theres no real discourse
darn it hit post too early
i think if dattaswami is willing to answer my last few questions,without the mysticism cut-and-paste i would continue, but not if the answers are in blocks of lots of text
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lfen
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Message 107 of 120 (300083)
04-01-2006 1:44 PM
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03-23-2006 11:17 PM


Re: Evolution of Religious Thought
Did you know that the Upanishads carry a passage in which there are 13 characteristics of aSupreme Sacrifice. None of your 330 million Gods carried any of these characteristics.
Until you cite the specific Upanishad passage I still don't KNOW that.
Is this something you just read on the internet or do you have a citation?
lfen

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Brian
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Message 108 of 120 (300096)
04-01-2006 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by dattaswami
03-24-2006 9:26 AM


Re: Evolution of Religious Thought
Hi Datt,
You still havent told me why Shakyamuni would teach that there was no soul if he was the same god that the Hindus worshipped who taught there was a soul.
Brian.

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BMG
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Message 109 of 120 (300114)
04-01-2006 4:04 PM
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02-02-2006 11:01 AM


Re: Slight error
Hi dattaswami.
I have read your post and I believe you may have made a misrepresentation of Buddhism: namely, that Buddhism consists of several differnet branches of philosophy, and isn't under one label. The main branches are Theraveda and Mahayana Buddhism. (There is also Zen Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism and so on. But I will refer simply to Theraveda and Mahayana).
I agree with your assertion that some Buddhists believe the Buddha is treated as God in flesh, but only in Mahayana Buddhism, not Theraveda Buddhism. Theraveda Buddhism sees Gautama(Buddha) as simply a mortal who achieved Nirvana through his own means. Mahayana Buddhists see the Buddha as a Bodhisattva- an eternal, divine and compassionate being that can help the suffering achieve Nirvana and, essentially, moksha. So, you might have a misunderstanding of exactly what is Buddhism.
P.S. I also do not have a strong grasp on it, but know some details.
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Brian
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Message 110 of 120 (300115)
04-01-2006 4:06 PM
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04-01-2006 4:04 PM


Re: Slight error
Hi,
I agree with your assertion that some Buddhists believe the Buddha is treated as God in flesh, but only in Mahayana Buddhism.
Are you sure about this mate? This is contrary to everything I know about Mahayana Buddhism so could you perhaps help me out with some references to support it?
Brian.

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BMG
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Message 111 of 120 (300120)
04-01-2006 4:24 PM
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04-01-2006 4:06 PM


Re: Slight error
Hi Brian.
I sure can. I do not have a link, so I'll type from my text.
"A second prinicple that began to develop in Mahayana Buddhism between the third century B.C.E. and first century C.E. was that Gautama(the Buddha) was really more than a man. In contrast to the teachings of early Buddhism and those of the Theraveda school, the Mahayanists began to teach that the Buddha was really a compassionate, eternal, and almost divine being who came to earth in the form of a man because he loved humankind and wished to be of assisstance".
Just took a midterm on religions originating in India and South Eastern Asia. I hope I was of some assistance.

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Brian
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Message 112 of 120 (300121)
04-01-2006 4:28 PM
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04-01-2006 4:24 PM


Re: Slight error
Do you have bibliographical details of the book.
Many thanks.
Brian.

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BMG
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Message 113 of 120 (300125)
04-01-2006 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Brian
04-01-2006 4:28 PM


Re: Slight error
Sure. Not in proper citation form, MLA, I think, but here you go.
Hopfe, M., Lewis, & Woodward, R., Mark (2005). Religions of the World. Ninth edition. Pearson Education, New Jersey.

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lfen
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Message 114 of 120 (300190)
04-02-2006 1:02 AM
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04-01-2006 4:24 PM


Re: Slight error
and almost divine being who came to earth in the form of a man because he loved humankind and wished to be of assisstance
I think the key is "almost divine" this is not the same as the western concept of God however. The story goes that soon after his awakening some people marveled and questioned Siddharta if he was a human or a god. He answered that he was awake (buddha). So the Buddha first referred as a title to the man as being awakened.
The Buddha realized the illusory and impermanent nature of self and denied there was a permanent soul (atman) a primary teaching of Vedanta. Later emphasis was placed on what it was he realized that was unborn and that was called Buddha nature and all sentient beings were said to have it. Thus some Buddhist understood that this nature which is fundamental and could be, in some sense of the western concept, divine was a principle that would appear, manifest (incarnate) when sentient beings needed it. The emphasis moved from the individual biological organism to the unborn and hence eternal truth that it realized. But this is very different from the notion of a God in human flesh.
Particularly to be so brief this explanation is not very accurate. Don't at this moment have a good link.
lfen

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inkorrekt
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Message 115 of 120 (300382)
04-02-2006 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by lfen
04-01-2006 1:44 PM


Re: Evolution of Religious Thought
It was published in magazine many years ago. I had read it. It is somewhere in my storage. I will have to dig this out. When I get it, I will post everything with references.

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dattaswami 
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Message 116 of 120 (301395)
04-05-2006 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by dattaswami
04-01-2006 1:19 AM


Re: Evolution of Religious Thought: Sikhism
Beggar comes to us for what we give. He is not having any love to us. Whereas a relative has not come for our food, he has come to see us. This shows love. Our approach to Lord should be with love as relative but not like beggar, who approaches only for satisfying desires. We should not worship lord only to satisfy our desire. Prayers by words, meditation by mind & spiritual discussions form preliminary level of worship. Devotee should search for Lord in human form to learn divine knowledge and should serve Him in His mission.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Message 117 of 120 (301397)
04-05-2006 10:54 PM
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04-05-2006 10:42 PM


Dataswami is suspended
You have been warned time and time again about simply spamming us with cut & pastes, yet you continue dio just that. Your last post was also posted on over 20 different sites, word for word.
When you agree that you can hold a discussion and do more than simply spam us, you can ask for reinstatement.

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    inkorrekt
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    Message 118 of 120 (303374)
    04-11-2006 10:44 PM
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    04-05-2006 10:42 PM


    Re: Evolution of Religious Thought: Sikhism
    Dattaswami,you are not answering any questions. All your preaching have nothing to do with what we discuss here. I am very suprised that you are a Nuclear scientist.

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    inkorrekt
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    Message 119 of 120 (327355)
    06-28-2006 11:29 PM
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    02-02-2006 11:10 AM


    Re: Slight error
    Phat, What Dattaswamui is doing is nothing but, CIRCULAR thinking. Most of the Hindus are extremely brilliant when it is a question about their specialization.When you discuss religion with a Hindu, he goes into Circular thinking. What happened to his logic?

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    Message 120 of 120 (327399)
    06-29-2006 5:44 AM
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    06-28-2006 11:29 PM


    Re: Slight error
    Im closing this thread...its ridiculous.

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