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Singh;GURU AND GODThe right half of Datta is Guru and the left half of Datta is God. Rama is God and Hanuman is Guru. The same Datta is split into two halves. Rama is incarnation of Vishnu. Hanuman is incarnation of Shiva. Veda says ”Shivascha Narayanah’ i.e., Vishnu is Shiva. So Rama is the left half and Hanuman is the right half of Datta. Guru needs the Supernatural powers (Ashta siddhis) for the sake of the disciples. Sometimes a disciple doubts the divinity of Guru. To prove His divinity the Guru has to perform some miracles. Sita doubted Hanuman. So Hanuman grew his body (Viswa Roopam) and showed the proof. Similarly when Ravana lighted his tail with fire, the tail did not burn. That was a miracle showed to Ravana. Sita believed Hanuman but Ravana did not believe. For both Sita and Ravana he described about Rama, the God. Thus He is Guru for both. Sita is a good disciple and Ravana is a bad disciple.In the case of Lord Krishna, He is both Guru and God i.e., two in one system. He preached and also showed Viswaroopam to both Arjuna and Duryodhana. Arjuna being a good disciple believed. Duryodhana being a bad disciple did not believe. Krishna told that He is the God. So He is Gurudeva. This shows that preaching and showing miracles are useful only in the case of deserving devotees.Sita represents an ordinary soul (Jeeva). After marriage she stayed with the Lord for about 12 years in Ayodhya. Due to continuous long association, negligence to Lord developed in her mind. When Rama was going to forest, he asked her to stay at Ayodhya. Then she criticized Rama saying ”You are a female in the form of a male’. Such negligence weakens the bond with the Lord. The golden deer attracted her, which is nothing but the bond with money. She was stolen by the ten-headed Ravana who represents the various family bonds and she suffered a lot. Then she cried for Rama who is the Lord. Then Hanuman in the form of Guru approached her. Hanuman described Rama from top to bottom. This means Guru explains that the real form of God is only the human form. Hanuman killed the demons there. This means that the Guru cuts all the worldly bonds, which trouble the soul. Hanuman burnt the Golden Lanka. Sita reached the Golden Lanka through the attachment to Golden deer. This means due to the bond with money the soul gets lot of wealth. Sita suffered in Lanka. This means that the soul suffers due to excess of wealth. Hanuman warned Ravana. This means Guru also teaches the family bonds of that soul to get salvation. Hanuman returned back and appealed Rama to save Sita immediately. Similarly a Guru recommends to God to protect the devotee. Rama immediately killed Ravana and saved Sita. This means the Lord will cut all the family bonds and uplifts you. Even after reaching Rama, Sita suffered due to her sins. She blamed Lakshmana in the forest and due to that sin she suffered. This means after achieving the Lord also, the devotee has to suffer his own sins. When Rama sent Sita to the forest Sita told ”Kalyanabuddheh . ..’ i.e., “Oh! Rama you are kind. This is only due to my sins.” She never blamed Rama and suffered her sins silently. Similarly one should not blame the Lord while suffering his own sins. He should suffer the sins with silence. Rama also suffered after leaving Sita. Similarly the Lord also suffers for your sins. Atlast, Rama gave the permanent place with Him in the upper world to Sita. This means that if you are prepared to suffer your sins and still love the Lord, you will get a permanent place in the heart of the Lord.In the case of Krishna also, Yadavas neglected the advice of Krishna due to long association. They swallowed the wine and killed each other. Arjuna also criticized Krishna when he was fighting for the sake of Gaya. Arjuna gave more importance to Dharma than Swami in protecting Gaya. But Gopikas gave more importance to Swami than Dharma and danced with Lord Krishna in Brindavanam. Gopikas got salvation after that birth but Arjuna has to be born again as a hunter. When the hunter proved the climax of his love by offering his eyes, he got salvation. Similarly Hanuman also fought with Rama to protect Yayathi who was given protection by the mother of Hanuman. Hanuman gave more importance to his mother than Swami. He realized his mistake and rectified it in his next incarnation i.e., Sankaracharya. Both Hanuman and Sankaracharya are the incarnations of Shiva. Sankaracharya left his mother for the sake of Swami and thus rectified his previous mistake.In all these cases, ”Maya’ covers the minds of the disciples. Arjuna realized Krishna as God when he heard Gita and saw the Viswa Roopam. But for 18 days Krishna behaved like a driver when the chariot comes back to the army tent, Krishna gets down first and opens the door of the chariot. Then only Arjuna as a owner of the Chariot gets down. Such humbleness of Krishna misled Arjuna to think Krishna as an ordinary man. Already the incarnation is a human being. Due to this itself one will be captured by the ”Maya’. Further when the Lord shows such submissive nature the ”Maya’ is doubled. On the eighteenth day Krishna asked Arjuna to get down first. Arjuna hesitated but Krishna shouted. Then Arjuna got down. Then Krishna also got down. Then the chariot was burnt. So in this incident we can understand the behaviour of Arjuna. Even great devotees like Arjuna were affected by His ”Maya’. Arjuna was Nara Rishi and was associated with Narayana during the past several births. When such Arjuna could not come out of the illusion, you cannot expect an ordinary human devotee to come out of the ”Maya’ exhibited by the human incarnation of God.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Dear Mr Dattaswami,You have given two posts no 75 and 76. They do not deal with the issue we are discussing namely idolatry. Let us please maintain focus. In case you are starting a new issue please say so and present it as an issue and not just restate what is there in the Ramayana or Mahabharta. Another request; please keep it crisp dealing with an issue at a time.
It appears you agree with what is stated in my last post at 74.God Bless!

The atheist says that God does not exist. For him God is nothing i.e., vacant space. This is the first stage. When he sees miracles he becomes the believer in God. He accepts God as some power or energy. The power or energy is also formless, like vacant space. So the concept of God is near to his previous concept and thus the atheist (Scientist) accepts the formless (Nirakara) God very easily. The third stage is God with form (Sakara). In this stage statues in the human form are introduced. The training is given to do the sixteen upacharas (services) to these statues in human form. This training indicates that they have to worship the God in human form in this way. The sixteen upacharas are actually related to the human form only. For eg: the first upachara ”Aavahanam’ means invitation corresponds to the human being only and not to inert statue. The statue in the temple is better than the statue in your house.Why? Because in the temple the ”Pranaprathista’ i.e., initiation of life is done to the statue. This again indicates that you have to worship the statue with life. The concept is the inert statue plus life is equal to human being. Therefore in the temple the statue indicates that you have to worship the statue with life i.e., the human form of God only. Like this you are slowly trained to worship the human form of the God by the sixteen upacharas. In this training when your egoism and jealousy is completely destroyed now the human form of the God is introduced. Unless your egoism and jealousy are completely destroyed you cannot accept the human form directly. So the worship of the inert statue in the human form introduces the concept of human form, then the initiation of life (Prana pratishta) introduces the concept of living human form. Thus this is a gradual transformation of you by reducing your egoism and jealousy. When your egoism and jealousy are completely removed, the final human form of God is introduced. Only a particular man like Lord Krishna is God. This is Advaita philosophy, which is extended to every man due to the same jealousy and egoism. If every man is God, nobody requires salvation.Like this when you are travelling from vacant space to formless energy or power then you are accepting the human form but without life which is a statue in your house. In the same stage you are accepting the statue plus life in the temple, which means only a living human form. Finally you are catching the God in the present living human form. Whatever I preached here is having the best practical proof. Hanuman, the greatest of the human beings in this world worshipped Rama only who was a living human being in his time. He did not go down i.e.; he never meditated upon the formless God or the statues. In Valmiki Ramayana such things are not mentioned. He never worshipped even previous human incarnations like ”Vamana’. He worshipped only the human incarnation present in his generation.Similarly Radha never worshipped ”Rama’ but worshipped only Krishna who was the human incarnation of her generation. As per Bhagavatham Radha also never worshipped the statues or the formless God. Hanuman became Brahma and Radha became the queen of the 15th World ”Goloka’. Nobody in this world will attain a better position than these two. So your spiritual journey must end in recognizing the human incarnation of God present in your generation. God is impartial and so He comes down in human form in every generation. If you say Lord Krishna is only the latest incarnation, then that generation was blessed and God became partial. Therefore God is coming in human form in every human generation. People are not recognizing Him because after the incarnation of Krishna the egoism and jealousy are growing continuously in all the human beings. The man did not recognize the God coming in human form after Krishna. After Krishna and before ”Kalki’ is ”Kaliyuga’. Due to the influence of the ”Kali’ people are full of egoism and jealousy and so they cannot recognize the human form of God in ”Kaliyuga’.God comes in different human forms in the same time in various levels for the sake of devotees in various levels. He comes as a schoolteacher for the school students, as a lecturer for the college students and as a Professor for the post graduate students. Since the school students and college students are large in number he comes down as a number of schoolteachers and college lecturers. Such incarnations are called as ”Amsavataras’, which mean the incarnations of a small portion of His power. The incarnation of His radiation is called ”Kalavatara’ which is the formless God like light worshipped by some believers. The light travels as waves and the Siva Linga in the temple represents this formless God. Since the Post graduation students are less in number only one professor comes down and He is the ”Pari poorna tamavathara’ i.e., the most complete incarnation, which reveals the final true knowledge. He is called ”Satguru’ or the original Datta in the human form.Datta exists in two forms. 1) The three headed form. 2) One headed form. The three headed form indicates ”Para brahma’ (God) who creates, rules and destroys the Universe by His three faces. The other single headed form is the external human form in which the three-headed form exists as the internal form, which is not seen. This is the essence of the ”Eka Mukha Datta’ (One headed from) and ”Trimukha Datta’ (The three headed form). Therefore the Schoolteacher shows miracles and converts the atheist into theist. The college lecturer trains the theists in the worship of the statues having human form to remove ego and jealousy in the man and make him a devotee. The last university professor gives the final true knowledge that God comes down in human form only and that He (the professor) Himself is God.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

even though this is all purely off topic to the thread i want to point this out - there are religious scientists out there, declaring all scientists athiests is wrong, and if the person is athiest they wouldn't believe in any form of god/sother wise what in the world does this have to do with anything?

When a scientific atheist denies the existence of God, he is denying his own premise of validation of a phenomenon by direct perception. The human incarnation of the Lord comes in this world and performs inexplicable miracles. These miracles are perceived by us. How can they deny the perception of such miracles? Agreed, that the same miracle may be conducted by an alternative means. This alternative means of performing the same effect may be explicable by science.However that still does not deny the first means which achieved the given effect in an inexplicable way. For example, a brilliant student may score cent percent points in an examination. Another student may score cent percent points on the examination by cheating.Such a false cent percent score cannot deny the genuine score. The result may be the same, but the processes are different. There is a clear-cut difference in the two students. One is brilliant student while the other is a cheater. A human incarnation of the Lord may perform a miracle such as producing vibhti or sacred ash spontaneously in His hands. A trickster may also achieve the same result by sleight of hand.He may have previously hidden some ash in a secret pocket in his sleeve or within the grooves of his fingers. The trick of the magician is explicable when discovered but miracle of the Lord is not. Although the effect is the same in both cases since the miracle of the Lord can be duplicated by a skilled magician, the two processes are not the same. Just because the result is the same, processes need not be same.
The same result need not have the same process. If it were, it would deny the fundamentals of science. In nature, we observe that there are several alternative routes to achieving the same effect or result. A chemical compound can be produced in several ways (Hess's Law). Since the final compound obtained is same, does not mean that the chemical reactions and the intermediates in each path are also the same. The same Chennai city can be reached by several ways. The fact that the final destination is the same does not mean that different routes to reach the city do not exist. There are separate routes and one may be better than the other.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

this is pure nonsense, where is the evidence of god being a phenomenon?, where are the tests of god? If there is no evidence of god then the conclusion till there is some is god doesn't exist. miracles fall under this as well
but what does this have to do with anything, your posts seem to be really confusing.

At this point, the human incarnation of the Lord comes as the support for the view of the religious person. He preaches the existence of the substratum; the Source of everything. He demonstrates the existence of this Source of everything (including the explicable and inexplicable parts of the world), by performing miracles. The miracles done by the human incarnation of the Lord are the Source (God), using the inexplicable powers to make perceptible effects on the explicable part of the world.If the scientist accepts this genuine path of the miracles, the human incarnation definitely becomes the final authority and confirmation of the existence of the possessor of the inexplicable power. If the scientist has the patience to reach to the bottom of this question, he will become a spiritual philosopher. An impatient scientist who has not analyzed deep enough becomes an atheist.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

What is it that made you believe this one human to be the God in flesh?As people have requested before...no scripture. Just your reasons. In your words.

Lord in human form should be able to clear all your doubts regarding spirituality with clear cut clarity and logic. Complete form of divine knowledge exits only in Lord in human form.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Anil, you have a christian name and you wrote that you are ascientist. What is your speciality?

Jesus Christ alone fulfilled the divine mission. He though divine, assumed a human form and came to minister.Did you know that the Upanishads carry a passage in which there are 13 characteristics of aSupreme Sacrifice. None of your 330 million Gods carried any of these characteristics. Only person who filfilled all these characterisitcs is Lord Jesus christ. These are related to His birth, life, death and resurrection. These were written 3000 years before Jesus was born.

My speciality is Nuclear Engineering

Inkorret,There is only one God. Jesus= Krishna= Bhudda= Ramakrishna ParamahamsaThe same heavenly father has talked to the humanity through all the above human incarnations. The body was different by the person who was preaching through those bodies are one and the same, Father in Heaven.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

Well, Indians are extremely brilliant regarding Science and Technology. However, when it comes to the personal faith and convictions, they go into circular thinking. You have not reponded to my note about the Hindu Gods not fulfilling all the characteristics of the great sacrifice.This message has been edited by inkorrekt, 03-24-2006 08:42 PM

Generally we do some service to the Lord and expect something good in return from the Lord. This is the norm of the general worldly business. The specialty of Lord Datta is that He announces His policy in the beginning itself. His policy is one-way traffic. You have to do service to Him but He will not do any thing good in return. Thus the business completely disappears. At this stage itself majority of the devotees drop out. Some devotees come to Him prepared for doing the service without any good fruit in return. After some time He opens His second policy. This policy is two-way traffic but it is different from our two-way traffic. He starts doing bad for our service. As the devotees press His feet He will be beating them with His stick. This is the true love.The devotee must have the divine knowledge to understand Lord Datta. By giving such troubles He is clearing all the sins. In clearing the sins He pays ninety-nine percent and the doer must pay one percent according to the rule of minimum justice. He appears to be giving troubles but actually He is clearing the sins. Then why He is not opening this truth. If the truth is not opened then only the true love exists. In the true love, one loves in spite of troubles from the other side. If the truth is opened this true love disappears. We will realize that these troubles are for his benefit only. Then we will tolerate the troubles from that angle. In such case it cannot be true love. Therefore Lord Datta maintains the secrecy. After clearing the sins, He will give boons. Without curing the fever, strong food should not be given. If it is given the patient dies. The demons were destroyed by such boons. There are three types of devotees. The low-level devotee asks for a boon like a demon. He does not give any freedom to the Lord. He decides that something is good for him and asks the Lord to give it.The devotee acts like a master and is indirectly treating the Lord as his servant. The Master asks the servant to do a particular thing without any comment. The middle class devotees ask the Lord to do whatever is good for them. They give some freedom to the Lord in deciding, which is good and which is bad for them. Upto this point they give freedom to the Lord. After this point the Lord has no freedom and He has to do good only. Thus these devotees give 50 percent freedom to the Lord. The best devotee gives 100 percent freedom to the Lord. He asks the Lord to do whatever the Lord likes. This devotee is prepared to receive the bad also if it can please the Lord. His only aim is that the Lord should be pleased by doing whatever He likes. This devotee feels that he is only an inert means for the play of the Lord by which the Lord is entertained. A player beats the ball by foot and is entertained. The devotee also likes to receive continuous sufferings, if such sufferings can entertain the Lord.When Jesus was doing the last prayer, He tried to avoid the future agony of death. For a moment He was vibrated with the forthcoming agony of crucification. But immediately He regained His originality and ended the prayer by saying “Let Thy will will be done”. He said finally that He is prepared to suffer if that is the will of the Lord. This is the best devotion. Lord Datta starts giving small troubles, which means that He is clearing the small sins. If the devotee is firm in his faith, then Datta starts clearing big sins. That means the small troubles will be slowly magnified into big troubles. When He clears your pronote of Rs. 100/-, He pays ninety-nine rupees and you will have to pay Re. 1/-. Then He starts clearing your pronote of one thousand rupees and then you have to pay Rs.10/-.You have to pay one percent of your sin according to the least expectation of the Justice. In the first stage Lord Datta keeps silent without doing any good for your service. This is the test of Brahma. This is a sort of initial training for the further tests. Then Datta starts troubling you for your service. The clearance of small sins is the test of Vishnu. In the third stage big sins are cleared and your troubles are intensified. This is the third test of Rudra. From one angle these are the tests to find out the strength of your faith and truthness in your love. In another angle these tests are secret clearance of your sins and your purification to make you eligible for His grace. Only the best devotee can stand before the special Lord Datta. Datta is true God and His preachings are true. The benefit you get also is true. The real Sun can remove the real darkness by his real light and imaginary Sun cannot remove the real darkness.You are spending lot of your time and energy in analyzing these worldly affairs. You are egoistic and you think that you are intelligent to solve the worldly affairs. By your intelligence and intensified analysis through long discussions, you will find that the worldly affair about which, you have taken so much care utterly flops at the end. If you spend even one-tenth of that time and that energy in the service and devotion on Lord Datta, your worldly issue succeeds beyond your imagination. In fact the servants of Lord Datta attend your worldly affairs. These worldly matters are below His level. His level of work starts when you go to the hell after the death. He will speak to Lord of the hell not to enquire about you and close the file since you are in His service. Thus you are blessed in this world and also in the upper world. Your faith is not 100 percent. To practice this if you are in His constant devotion all your duties will be also discharged by the power of Lord Datta in a fraction of second and in an excellent manner. One can test this concept in the case of one worldly affair and see whether what I say is correct or not?You can test this in one case and you will experience the truth of My preachings.

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At Thy Lotus FeetAnil AntonyUniversal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org