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dattaswami 
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Message 46 of 120 (283868)
02-04-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:08 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
Salvation means breaking all wordly bonds and having only one bond with GOD. All our family memebers love us because they getting enjoyment from us. Mostly we also love in that angle. These wordly relationships are temporary only and it will not last. In fact these wordly bonds are preventing us from having bond with the lord which is the real one. Lord comes in human form in every human generation. One can recognise Him by His special divine knowledge that no other human being can preach.
Money is the root cause of all the wordly bonds, when bond with the money is cut, all other wordly bonds are cut. God is always satisfied with His eternal postion. He do not want any money. It is for our sake only, one has to pacticipate in His mission of divine knowledge propagtion. When we give money to any body, then we will analyse whether the receiver is eligible or is He the lord in human form etc. Thus only true devotees can stand infront of such a test. All other fraud devotees will run away.
When human icarnation comes He never forces anybody to become His disciple etc. He never ask you to follow Him blindly. He give true divine knowledge and one can analyse His preachings with his brain, and can conclude whether His preachings are correct or not. There is no forcing in spirituality. One should not even change his religion.
God comes in the form of human being He shows all the signs of a humanbody like, sleep, tiredness, appetite etc. This it self will repell most of the people, they will think how the all powerfull ominipresent God can beome such a human being. One should note that God is not modified into the human body. He is above the human body.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Phat
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Message 47 of 120 (283870)
02-04-2006 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 11:12 AM


Re: Winding Down
Quite a lot of topics that you post! I stumbled upon them while googling your term, Karma Phala Tyaga !
BRIEFLY TELL ME:
1)Why is it that you personally feel led to do this?
2) If you really care about us as people, I think you need to get to know us a bit better. So far, you are having a good discussion!
Keep the replies short and concise! Its more effective to spend a little time actually reaching a few people through dialogue rather than attempting to broadcast to many people---most of whom wont read what you have to say!
BTW do you do Yoga?

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dattaswami 
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Message 48 of 120 (283873)
02-04-2006 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:26 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
You just analyse with your brain, if you are continously troubling your familiy members what will be their reaction. One day or the other they will start hating you. This means that these wordly bonds and the love are not true one, actully these wordly bonds prevent us from having the bond with our heavely father. Mostly our love to God is not true one. We love Him for our selfish sake only, like getting some favour etc. This is not the true love. True love means love without any expectation.
We are sole property of God only, and such a God comes in every human generation to give His existence. All these wordly bonds will vanish one day or the other, we have to drop all these bonds. Actually all these bonds are binding us. Unless we make a sincere effort by serving the lord in human form we will be always locked up in the vicious circle of birth and death, and never will get salvation. Thus it is essential to catch hold of the lord in human form, to first learn the true divine knowledge and after wards do some service with love and without any expectation. But the path is very very tough. Jesus also told the same. Many will try but very few will enter.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Phat
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Message 49 of 120 (283874)
02-04-2006 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Winding Down
You are preaching, again! How do YOU get along with your natural family? Do you consider them as close as the group of devotees who you worship with? Tell us how many of you there are (around this Swami)
BTW Im not looking to attack the Swami---I just want some honest answers from your thinking mind!

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dattaswami 
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Message 50 of 120 (283875)
02-04-2006 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Winding Down
pHAT;
If you analyse Jesus words, "Unless you hate your father, mother, wife etc you cannot become My dearest disciple'. See the attitude of then human incarnation Jesus, how strict He was. When Human incarnation comes He will reveal the truth about the path towards salvation. He will preach the temporary nature of all these wordly bonds. He will preach the importance of strengthening the bond with Him. Beacuse a true relationship with Him only fetch you salvation. But how one can believe a formless God? Such a formless God is not preaching us anything. For this very purpose He comes down in human form and who ever seek Him will approach Him attracted by the Hidden heavely Father in the human body of the human incarnaton.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Phat
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Message 51 of 120 (283877)
02-04-2006 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Winding Down
dattaswami writes:
Unless we make a sincere effort by serving the lord in human form we will be always locked up in the vicious circle of birth and death, and never will get salvation. Thus it is essential to catch hold of the lord in human form, to first learn the true divine knowledge and after wards do some service with love and without any expectation. But the path is very very tough. Jesus also told the same. Many will try but very few will enter.
NIV writes:
John 4:22-24
23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
Human form?
NIV writes:
Rev 19:10
10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."
Am I misinterpreting these scriptures, Anil? (Be Brief!)
A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
I am challenging you to use your mind and tell me what YOU believe and not so much what you have been taught.
By the way, do you practice Yoga?
This message has been edited by Phat, 02-04-2006 09:49 AM

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dattaswami 
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Message 52 of 120 (283878)
02-04-2006 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Phat
02-04-2006 11:41 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
If you see bible or anyother human incarnaiton, there were only few devotees who recoginsed the Lord in the human body of the human incarnation. Actually there are very few devotees in the innercircle of Sri Dattaswami. As far as i am considered, am only a beginner, but there are two great devotees, one Mr. Phani and other Mr. Ajay. Mr. Phani is a bachelor and he dedicated everything for Swami, what ever he earns through his job he is giving it to Swami for His mission and He is the close associative of swami and always is with Him. Mr. Ajay is married, even though he completely dedicated for swami's work.
These two are the Gems, and they have practically (Not theoretical) sacrificed everything time, work and money(where everybody will fall).

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 53 of 120 (283880)
02-04-2006 11:55 AM
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02-04-2006 11:47 AM


Re: Winding Down
Phat;
God exists in two places, one in the heart of a true devotee and in human incarnation. In ture devotee He will exits for some time only, to do some specific work, but in case of human incarnation He exists from top to bottom all the time, i.e., He is the God Himself.
One shouldnot accept a mere humanbeing as God, God may do some wonderful work through him, it doesnot mean that He is God. Only human incarnation is God. Jesus disciples was not God, but Jesus was God. One should identify such humanincarnation of present time.
I do not practice yoga. Meaning of Yoga is the union with God.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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purpledawn
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Message 54 of 120 (283895)
02-04-2006 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 10:17 AM


No Substance
A lot of words, but nothing that actually addresses my post.
You aren't really including all religions or beliefs of the world. You're only focusing on the popular ones.
There's not much more I can say since you haven't provided anything to actually further this discussion.

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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dattaswami 
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Message 55 of 120 (284055)
02-04-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by purpledawn
02-04-2006 1:12 PM


Re: No Substance
I have considered the main Religions present in the world, which are taken as some examples. The concept applies to all the other Religions equally. Even in the other Religions the same concepts are present. I was also mentioning the name of Mahavir Jain in the context of non-violence. I also mentioned the philosophy of Jainism when I was talking about the truth, which is presented in Jainism as seven-fold. To limit the number only I have taken the main Religions. This does not mean that we are neglecting other Religions.

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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Message 56 of 120 (285790)
02-11-2006 1:10 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by dattaswami
02-04-2006 10:11 PM


Re: No Substance
just as a question, does your belief include, polythiestic religions? or only monothiestic?
if they mean poly who is gods avatar then?
if you mean all religions does that mean no longer practiced ones? like norse, celtic, greek?
what about wicca and neo-pagun?
if so which form is god then? male or female?

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dattaswami 
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Message 57 of 120 (286111)
02-13-2006 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by purpledawn
02-04-2006 1:12 PM


Re: No Substance
The other religions whether major or minor are in the lines of the Major religions like Hinduism, Bhudhism, Christianity , Islam and Science (Atheism). Science is mentioned as a religion because atheism is mentioned as a religion under the headline ”Nastika matam’. Religion means a line of thinking (Matam). Jainism is almost similar to Bhuddism. Their argument about seven fold existence is discussed separately in different branches of Hinduism. The Persian religion concentrates on the worship of the fire which is similar to the branch of Hinduism called ”Soura Matam’ in which the natural object, sun, is worshiped as God. This concept is discussed in the topic of representative worship (Pratika- Puja).

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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dattaswami 
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Message 58 of 120 (286115)
02-13-2006 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by ReverendDG
02-11-2006 1:10 AM


Re: No Substance
ReverendDG;
Our blief is entirely focused on the present human incarnation. We believe that His Holiness Sri Datta Swami as the present human incarnation of God. People created religion and God is only one and He is beyond Religion. He comes in every human generation to preach the souls the true divine knowledge. He is known as human incarnation. When the Original God is present with us what is the need of religions?
At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

At Thy Lotus Feet
Anil Antony
Universal Spirituality | Shri Datta Swami
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

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inkorrekt
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Message 59 of 120 (286198)
02-13-2006 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by dattaswami
02-02-2006 11:28 AM


Re: Slow down...
Anil,
You have not answered any of the questions. First of all, Anil Antony sounds like a Christian name. How did you become a Godman following Dattaswami? Something must have happened.You have not answered the proviosu question How did you meet Dattaswami? If nothing has happened, then there must be other motives behind your propaganda. Nobody can understand anything you say. How can you be a Scientist?

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inkorrekt
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Message 60 of 120 (286199)
02-13-2006 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by dattaswami
02-02-2006 11:28 AM


Re: Slow down...
Anil,
You have not answered any of the questions. First of all, Anil Antony sounds like a Christian name. How did you become a Godman following Dattaswami? Something must have happened. How did you meet Dattaswami? If nothing has happened, then there must be other motives behind your propaganda. Nobody can understand anything you say. As a Scientist what is your speciality?

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