Some help for the TC model

making sure tc doesn't forget about this

Don't worry Joe, I didn't forget about it, the Global Flood is one of my favorite discussions. So lets see, regarding your equation, I was going to either ask you a series of questions, then I had another thought that could would be much quicker and easier. Instead of me asking you questions on how to express the variables in your problem, It would be very much help if you could create imaginary variables and insert them into the equation with their correct form of expression (refering to a number in miles/kilometers, Centegrade/Ferenheit/Kalvin, etc.). Also, it is important to know that I can't just imput these variables off the top of my head, I would have to obtain the information and research as I am in the progress of doing to know sufficiently correct estimates.-------------------

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[B]Don't worry Joe, I didn't forget about it, the Global Flood is one of my favorite discussions. So lets see, regarding your equation, I was going to either ask you a series of questions, then I had another thought that could would be much quicker and easier. Instead of me asking you questions on how to express the variables in your problem, It would be very much help if you could create imaginary variables and insert them into the equation with their correct form of expression (refering to a number in miles/kilometers, Centegrade/Ferenheit/Kalvin, etc.). Also, it is important to know that I can't just imput these variables off the top of my head, I would have to obtain the information and research as I am in the progress of doing to know sufficiently correct estimates. [/QUOTE]JM: Making sure you don't forget. I understand it would be very easy for you if I supplied the variables; however, you need to gain insight into the math and the physics behind the equations. Therefore, I think it best that you trudge through it on your own. That way, you input your own variables and you generate your own model. We can discuss the nuances of your model once you present it.CheersJoe Meert

You`re a cruel man Joe, making him do all this work to falsify his own hypothesis....Oh and TC you want to use S.I units....(I hope his "collage (sic) level" physics includes S.I units....)

"JM: Making sure you don't forget. I understand it would be very easy for you if I supplied the variables; however, you need to gain insight into the math and the physics behind the equations. Therefore, I think it best that you trudge through it on your own. That way, you input your own variables and you generate your own model. We can discuss the nuances of your model once you present it."
--Hm.. well I guess you missunderstood my post, I am not questioning the physics, but the way variables should be expressed such as my example of meters, feet, kilometers, centegrade, kalvin, etc. Do you see what I am getting at? I had just looked over your paper at http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/oceans.htm, I found that you answer my questions at your reference 7 as to the form of expression. Though Velocity, what unit of measure should be used, the same for age, mantle temp, average age of subducted crust, and at what depth is mantle density taken at?------------------

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"JM: Making sure you don't forget. I understand it would be very easy for you if I supplied the variables; however, you need to gain insight into the math and the physics behind the equations. Therefore, I think it best that you trudge through it on your own. That way, you input your own variables and you generate your own model. We can discuss the nuances of your model once you present it."
--Hm.. well I guess you missunderstood my post, I am not questioning the physics, but the way variables should be expressed such as my example of meters, feet, kilometers, centegrade, kalvin, etc. Do you see what I am getting at? I had just looked over your paper at http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/oceans.htm, I found that you answer my questions at your reference 7 as to the form of expression. Though Velocity, what unit of measure should be used, the same for age, mantle temp, average age of subducted crust, and at what depth is mantle density taken at?

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JM: No, I didn't misunderstand you at all. Part of understanding the physics and the equation is knowing what units to use and where the information came from. I've done quite a bit of the work for you already, I want you to do some now.CheersJoe Meert

TC:Just to keep this in the same vein, you said that the flood sediments are Cambrian through Tertiary, right? So the latest glaciations are after the flood and from your selection there were at least two glaciations before the flood and at least two glaciations during the flood. Why did the bible not mention the glaciations? The bible claims the entire globe was covered at some point during the flood. According to you, what strata globally were laid down during the time the earth was entirely covered by water?CheersJo eMeert

Making sure this doesn't escape.CheersJoe Meert

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
Hm.. well I guess you missunderstood my post, I am not questioning the physics, but the way variables should be expressed such as my example of meters, feet, kilometers, centegrade, kalvin, etc. Do you see what I am getting at? I had just looked over your paper at http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/oceans.htm, I found that you answer my questions at your reference 7 as to the form of expression. Though Velocity, what unit of measure should be used, the same for age, mantle temp, average age of subducted crust, and at what depth is mantle density taken at?

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Already told you TC use SI units....

I just received my GSA Today and the feature article is a rebuttal of the Ryan-Pitman Black Sea 'flood' as an analogue for the Noachian myth. I cannot reproduce the entire article, but I think it has free online access at: http://www.geosociety.org/pubs/gsatoday/CheersJoe Meert

tc, let me know where you are at in your homework.cheersjoe meert

--Well lets see, Joz said that I should use SI units, unfortunately it was only a bit helpful in temperature. However I am still concerned with age and age of subducted crust, should it simply be years? or millions of years (written as 6,000,000 or 6?) I haven't been able to apply physics to these types of geophysical equations so I am not all too sharp here, apparently there are no educators at the school that I attend that are qualified or understand the geophysics. And velocity, I don't think that you would use m/s. As well as the logic used to define the variables for Mantle temp and density. I would guess that it would be taken at measurements of reasonable ocean lithospheric crust depths, maybe 3300 kg/m³, a variable I have seen at times in lithospheric dynamics for mantle density (is it an average?). The answers to these questions are of course above me right now, and I would like to get it.--Maybe there is a text-book reference explaining the lithospheric dynamics you know which could help me in this topic, as well as other equations for figuring the effects or causes of tectonic plate actions. Doesn't have to be expensive, just reliable information.--I also need to develope calculations on how the oceans above spreading boundaries would be reacting to this to obtain a variable for the amount of heat produced. Then I can make a model which was attempted in gene and my discussion here: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=11&t=8&p=4------------------

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--Well lets see, Joz said that I should use SI units, unfortunately it was only a bit helpful in temperature. However I am still concerned with age and age of subducted crust, should it simply be years? or millions of years (written as 6,000,000 or 6?) I haven't been able to apply physics to these types of geophysical equations so I am not all too sharp here, apparently there are no educators at the school that I attend that are qualified or understand the geophysics. And velocity, I don't think that you would use m/s. As well as the logic used to define the variables for Mantle temp and density. I would guess that it would be taken at measurements of reasonable ocean lithospheric crust depths, maybe 3300 kg/m³, a variable I have seen at times in lithospheric dynamics for mantle density (is it an average?). The answers to these questions are of course above me right now, and I would like to get it.

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--Maybe there is a text-book reference explaining the lithospheric dynamics you know which could help me in this topic, as well as other equations for figuring the effects or causes of tectonic plate actions. Doesn't have to be expensive, just reliable information.

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--I also need to develope calculations on how the oceans above spreading boundaries would be reacting to this to obtain a variable for the amount of heat produced. Then I can make a model which was attempted in gene and my discussion here:

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JM: Yes, well keep working and I'll keep bringing this point up. You see, the point I am trying to make is that you didn't think your argument all the way through since a relatively simple calculation results in oceans that are a bit too shallow for a catastrophic flood model. As I mentioned, you have the references and the calculations completed for you on my web page, so it doesn't take a whole lot of work on your part. You just have to justify the model you use and then plug in the numbers.CheersJoe Meert

TC,SI unit for time is the s, density kg/m^3, temp Kelvins. There are no imperial measurements such as miles & gallons. A quick search should procure a list of Standard Internationale units.Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

"SI unit for time is the s, density kg/m^3, temp Kelvins. There are no imperial measurements such as miles & gallons. A quick search should procure a list of Standard Internationale units."
--Yes I have known this. Though you really use seconds for your age? Thats a very massive number.------------------