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edge
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Message 32 of 42 (26911)
12-16-2002 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tranquility Base
12-16-2002 9:24 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Tranquility Base:
I'm actually quite interested in this issue Wehappy. I simply have nothing to contribute. It seems to me so far that there is sufficeint room to suggest that much of the calcium could have an inorganic origin.
Good! Then you can give us some evidence to support this assertion.

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Coragyps
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Message 33 of 42 (26970)
12-17-2002 9:54 AM
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12-16-2002 9:24 PM


quote:
It seems to me so far that there is sufficeint room to suggest that much of the calcium could have an inorganic origin.
And tis affects the amount of carbon dioxide given of by its formatiom exactly how? The reaction at any realistic pH value is identical.

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Coragyps
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Message 34 of 42 (27543)
12-20-2002 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Coragyps
12-17-2002 9:54 AM


bump?

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Coragyps
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Message 35 of 42 (27727)
12-23-2002 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Coragyps
12-20-2002 8:44 PM


Bump! TC? TB? Are you out there?

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Coragyps
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Message 36 of 42 (28065)
12-29-2002 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Coragyps
12-23-2002 9:45 AM


Aw, c'mon guys!! Humor me! Tell me to buzz off, or tell me any reply would be beyond the edge of the Creationist worldview! Heck, attempt an answer, even!

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Message 37 of 42 (28125)
12-30-2002 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coragyps
12-29-2002 1:54 PM


"Aw, c'mon guys!! Humor me! Tell me to buzz off, or tell me any reply would be beyond the edge of the Creationist worldview! Heck, attempt an answer, even!"
--Buzz off! *grr* . I'll to respond to WeHappyFew's response in message #27.
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TrueCreation
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Message 38 of 42 (28542)
01-06-2003 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by wehappyfew
12-07-2002 12:29 PM


"Thanks, TC.
Been there, done that with the computer OS crashes...
Biogenic or not, the precipitation of limestone still releases the same amount of heat and CO2 and still requires the same inputs of carbonate and calcium ions. Coragyps equations are valid either way, and eliminate the Flood as a scientific theory all by themselves. Did you notice how TB is violently avoiding the subject in other threads? He knows the chemistry of the limestone is a myth-killer.
Anyway, only kooks like Walt Brown are willing to argue that the Dover Cliff chalks are inorganic. Really now, don't you think microscopic animal shells are good enough evidence of biogenesis? Same goes for the corals, crinoids, molluscs, etc. Many widespread layers of limestone are formed almost exclusively of crinoid fragments, for example. After metazoan life got the urge to calcify in the Cambrian, limestone is almost all biogenic. It's a simple, observable fact of the geologic record. Only by ignoring the details can professional Creationists like Hovind, Humphreys and Brown weave a plausible sounding pseudo-babble for their gullible flocks."
--I see the logic, It seems that if we must produce such quantities [assuming the values for concentration were to be just as significant in considering only Cambrian+ strata] of calcite we have a problem. One thing I have recently considered is that they were (just like almost every other organic specimen) created pre-flood and then sorted by whatever process. What also interests me is what the compositions of the deposits are. Beds of corals, for instance would be explained relatively easily.
--You wouldn't happen to know where I can get a hold of some good textbooks which explain this in depth, as well as for their distributions across the globe would be nice as well.
--Until further notice, this is a serious difficulty for us YEC's.
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Coragyps
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Message 39 of 42 (28545)
01-06-2003 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by TrueCreation
01-06-2003 8:57 PM


quote:
Beds of corals, for instance would be explained relatively easily.
But 1600-foot-tall edifices of coral, in their growth positions, such as El Capitan in West Texas, are pretty tough to grow in just a few tens of thousands of years.
quote:
You wouldn't happen to know where I can get a hold of some good textbooks which explain this in depth, as well as for their distributions across the globe would be nice as well.
No, I'm not a geologist, so I don't have any specific titles to suggest. There has been a lot written on "carbonate stratigraphy" in connection with the petroleum biz, though, and surely a catalog search at a college library would turn up something.
Thanks for you forthright answer.

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edge
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Message 40 of 42 (28843)
01-10-2003 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by TrueCreation
01-06-2003 8:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by TrueCreation:
--You wouldn't happen to know where I can get a hold of some good textbooks which explain this in depth, as well as for their distributions across the globe would be nice as well.
Just do a search on carbonate petrology and you'll come up with more information than you can possibly handle. This is a specialty topic in Geology and there are some schools with numerous courses on various topics in carbonate sedimentation.
quote:
--Until further notice, this is a serious difficulty for us YEC's.
Just one among many, TC. As you learn more, you will see that the possibility of a biblical global flood is vanishingly small.

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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 41 of 42 (29616)
01-19-2003 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by edge
01-10-2003 11:49 PM


A bump, just for TB. Post 17 and various thereafter, pretty please?

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Coragyps
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Posts: 5553
From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 42 of 42 (30957)
02-01-2003 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coragyps
01-19-2003 11:08 PM


Rebump?

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