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Author | Topic: Exploring the Grand Canyon, from the bottom up. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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If both sides have valid arguments but the YECs have none, what do you mean by both sides?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1611 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They leave wet slicks. That's how footprints get preserved.
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edge Member (Idle past 1873 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Funny, it's rock layers that are labeled as time periods in scads of illustrations of the geo column.
Actually, the diagram shows how several different formations were laid down during each time period on the diagram. In Phat's analogy, it's like the snow from several storms laid down during one winter. Then, you have another winter ... By the way, your diagram shows 8 different erosional unconformities in the Grand Canyon sequence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1611 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, I know edge, I don't see things your way. So what else is new?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
I hope that in future you will stop accusing other people of misreading since your rocks are time periods misreading is the craziest misreading that I have ever seen and you keep on repeating it even after being corrected again and again.
As for something leaving slicks that really doesn’t help you explain how the trackway - or the many other trackways from different periods - fit with the Biblical description of the Flood. Edited by PaulK, : 1 typo fixed
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Phat Member Posts: 18524 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Upon further musings, I can only say that the Creationist side has but one argument: That God did it for a mysterious reason. I can't say that this is a valid argument, however.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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jar Member Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Come on RAZD; how can either of the imaginary floods detailed in the Bible erase real footprints?
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ringo Member (Idle past 579 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's not how it happens at the beach. We've all seen what really happens to footprints exposed to wave and tide action - so why would you even suggest such a ridiculous scenario? They leave wet slicks. That's how footprints get preserved.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1611 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Long period of time between waves/tides as Flood rises. This has been argued to death many times before. I haven't changed my mind.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17874 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5 |
It may have been argued a lot but we still haven’t seen any reason to think that it’s plausible from either a scriptural or an evidential point of view.
So how long do you have dry land between these conjectured waves? How many times do they need to inundate the land to account for all the fossil footprints? Then when you’ve dealt with those you can get on to difficult questions like what could possibly cause them and what evidence is there for them aside from your need to explain terrestrial features in the fossil record.
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ringo Member (Idle past 579 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Be careful how many made-up, unscriptural waves you try to squeeze into a one-year flood. There are a lot of layers to explain. Long period of time between waves/tides as Flood rises. Of course, that's an experiment that creationists could do: One tank with waves every few seconds, one tank with two tides per day, one tank with a wave every week, etc. It should be easy enough to figure out what conditions would preserve footprints. Why don't creationistsdo that?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1572 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There is a very interesting and information filled pdf graphic at Geologic Time Line of the Grand Canyon:
This graphic shows information on paleogeography, sea levels, rocks, tectonism, magmatism, and life. +There is a geological column in the center with additional detail v other columns that have been posted. What this shows is the order that everything occurred in the Grand Canyon area (including the staircase). There is also a lot of back-up text there too, from the U of Arizona. The second page has a cross section of the Canyon. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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