Steorn in a teacup?

They seem pretty certain that they can turn the law of conservation of energy on its head and say they have perpetual motion technology. And are prepared to pay the scientific community to verify that it works. For all you out of work physicists Challenge Aspx?p=1 —

Until this challenge was laid down, I'd never heard of Steorn. I have now. I think that their aims have been met - and they didn't need to do any good science! Sensational statements in science sells stuff.I'll wait for independent confirmation from several sources before getting hopeful though. Steorn in a teacup would be an adequate tabloid pun.Other interesting news/blog entries
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Anyone check out the forum discussions on their website? Pretty funny, at times.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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Steorn is making three claims for its technology:

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1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
2. The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
3. There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).

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The sum of these claims is that our technology creates free energy.

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The sum of those claims is a lot of old jism.It's either a straight forward scam or hoax (maybe for a tv show?) or it's a marketing campaign for something else.And why is the press release linked here: here
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You are right to be suspicious.The "coefficient of performance" measures the efficiency, not of a heat engine, but of a refrigerator. It is usually over 100% (which is why it is not usually given in percentage terms).So these guys have learnt so little about thermodynamics that they don't even know what lies to tell.I hate lazy conmen.

Wiki has an interesting thing to say about that: So they are saying they have developed something that is 'better' (I appreciate the word isn't entirely appropriate) than standard electric heating, makes it sound rather banal really.[conspiracy]I wonder if the scientists that step forward have to sign a contract to say they will report their findings in the format provided which will force them to simply state that the coefficient of performance is indeed greater than 100%Then they come out and say that the scientists sacrificed their integrity for nothing because their claims were ultimately bogus and the scientists did not speak out. They then denounce the scientific community of being dishonest and willing to cover things up for their own interests. Then, out of the media frenzy will step the financiers of the whole operation...the Discovery Institute.Would make a great mini series, you heard it here first.
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Today the invention will go on public display for the first time with a live working demonstration to be streamed on the internet from 6pm tonight.

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Steorn Chief Executive Sean McCarthy has said the demonstration will involve a 'very simplified version' of the technology and it will be open to the public from Thursday 5 July to Friday 13 July at the Kinetica Museum at Spitalfields Market in London.
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Dublin company to unveil 'free energy' device

It seems that:1) The demo for today was cancelled due to "technical problems"2) The demo unit is a plastic wheel that spins for a long time. If you start it spinning first. It does not lift weights.And it's being shown at a museum dedicated to kinetic art...Even more funnily the ID blog "Overwhelming Evidence" is endorsing the device

Really I looked for an update but I guess the press doesn't consider this interesting. Most perceptual motion devices get canceled for "technical reasons"From the Intelligent Design site you linked they have this title

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Infinite-energy theory challenges materialist thermodynamics dogma

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Looks like "materialism" got a stay of execution :0Oh but there is more....

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The same scientists who tell you that Intelligent Design is impossible also dispute the hard-facts of Steorn's peer-reviewed findings. I predict that this humble contraption will show the world just how much materialists have misled mainstream-science.

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Now let me see mainstream-science is mislead but they claim peer-review but the same mislead science. I don't get it... is main-stream science mislead or not.

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These clever Irish researchers have demonstrated that the principles of thermodynamics function in a manner far closer to the predictions of William Dembski and William Brookfield than the clearly flawed thermodynamic claims of Hawkings and Maxwell.

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Ya who is this fool Maxwell compared to the giants of Dembski and Brookfield? Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

iano It is telling that the people who have managed to completely rewrite the conservation of energy would be incapable of realizing that their machine would be affected by heat as the excuse offered by the CEO reveals. So we have a perpetual energy device that cannot work under excessive heat produced by mere stage lighting eh? The same people who managed to overturn a conservation law are stumped with a mere technical issue? YA Right!If there is one free energy device to be assured in constant supply it is the shovel that is used to pile on the bullshit in never ending fashion to those people unable to deal with the reality of conservation of energy.Of course , I could be a disinformation agent for the government eh?

I'd forgotten all about this - even if they haven't discovered perpetual energy - they've made a piece of bullshit go a long way!

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That is a good point. These fellows even claimed to have created an "engine" to power a Porsche! Just don't turn on the lights or go driving about on a sunny day What is even more interesting about this is that the Intelligent Design proponents are championing Steorn's device. They believe, i guess, that it will overturn the biased mainstream science and will prove the "ultra-materialists scientists" are wrong about the laws of thermodynamics.But I thought the 2-law was proof against evolution and now they want to overthrow that? Strange bedfellows indeed.

There is weekly column in the Guardian called 'Bad Science' that EvC members might be interested in. This week it discussed the Steorn devicePerpetual truths – Bad Science

Hey, yo, iano, I clicked on your link for the first time and it says:

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Can you, or someone else, tell me what was on the page?

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