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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Like so many of the Biblical Christian Conmen, Ken Ham is not just hiding behind religion but rather waving religion like a shield.
Item one of their FAQ says:
Why is this museum needed? Our increasingly anti-Christian country must return to a belief in the authority of the Bible and be presented with the life-changing gospel message. Evolutionary indoctrination has undermined the Christian foundations in America. Notice the classic threats explicit in there. There is no attempt at education, truth or honesty in Ken's museum. It is straight out Christian Cult of Ignorance indoctrination as a way to get the gullible Christians to pony up dough. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Razd writes: That depends Buz. IF they are pretending to be an educational museum that presents facts to the population in exchange for hard currency and are in fact showing lies, misrepresentations, falsehoods, and such, then they can be (and should be) prosecuted for fraud. So how much presented in museums must be considered empirically factual to avoid prosecution iyo? Thousands of us consider stuff in your kind of museum to be unproven and false. Does that mean we should work to shut down secularist oriented museums? Some significant things which have been in highly esteemed museums have been debunked haven't they? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Buz: Thousands of us consider stuff in your kind of museum to be unproven and false. What's 'your kind of museum'? _____ Archer All species are transitional.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Thousands of us consider stuff in your kind of museum to be unproven and false. Feel free to dispute it in the scientific papers. What you consider it to be has no bearing on what it is: you need to make a case not a complaint.
So how much presented in museums must be considered empirically factual to avoid prosecution iyo? There should be no material that has been previously shown to be fraudulent, false, misrepresentations of reality. (exception would be displays about frauds -- and how they had been uncovered). Paluxy human footprints is a false, not a different interpretation of evidence. Presenting humans as living at the same time as (non-avian) dinosaurs is false. Presenting the earth as less than 4.5 billion years is false. Collecting money in exchange for false information is fraud. That is the difference. In my humble but sometimes arrogant opinion. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Thousands of us consider stuff in your kind of museum to be unproven and false. It does not matter what you consider true or false. The facts are that Biblical Creationism is false. That is not a matter of opinion, it is fact. Biblical Christian leaders are simply out there to con money from the Biblical Christian herd. It is an easy and safe way to become rich here in the US. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ladeeda! You've cited a couple of things you consider fraudulent. You want it closed by govt on that account?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
It's not empirical fact until empirically proven and you have a lot of work cut out for yourself to achieve that.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
It's not empirical fact until empirically proven
You've been told multiple times that nothing in science is ever proven. That being said the evidence supporting various things like the age of the Earth, the non-existance of the biblical flood etc. has wethered all challenges. It's as close to fact as its going to get, and the people who say otherwise are either lying or deluded. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course it is proven Buz.
We have shown time after time how AIG misrepresents facts and misuses radiometric techniques. There is NO question that Biblical Christian leaders are simply liars. For proof simply look at the very quotes posted on AIGs website. But don't worry Buz, they are protected here in the US and as long as you and others in the cult keep sending them money, they will keep right on lying to you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The question is Buz,
When do you stop lying to children? compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I stand by my statement. "Close to" is relative to your ideology and is not empirical.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
I stand by my statement
well if you want to continue to appear ignorant then by all means go ahead.
and is not empirical
is "empirical" your new favorite word Buz? cause you keep misusing it. Please explain how the old age of the earth and the non-happening of the biblical flood have not been empirically backed up, if you need to start a new topic in the science fora for it I'll wait. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ham believes what he has is authentic and it is not proven otherwise. That is not a bonafide lie.
Here is an example of a bonafide proven lie and it was not perpetrated on the kiddies by a Christian Biblicalist creationist for the three decades of it's scientific display and use.
Proven fraud site writes: For over three decades the Piltdown skull was accepted by the scientific community as an authentic artifact. .......Having proven fraud, the question that remained was who had been responsible for the deception. Woodward had a strong reputation for honesty, and his innocence was generally acknowledged. Dawson, instead, was fingered as the likely culprit. This page has moved BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar, your message title is stated as a quote from me so you need to delete it or change it so it does not miss-quote me. You can do that by deleting the name Jar
Also stop lying about me. I do not send these folks money. Either change it or delete it. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
That's all you have? That hoary old story? Do we really need to revisit one more time that it was science that uncovered and exposed the fraud, and that NO museum uses it as a case FOR evolution (as much as creationists fraudulently try to portray it)?
As opposed to current fraud used by creationists. Doesn't matter what Ken Ham claims to believe: falsehood is falsehood. The age of the earth is a FACT and the earth IS old. What is this? "Look - Piltdown - therefore fraud is okay"? When is is time to stop lying to children? Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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