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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I read a bunch of things about Medjugorje but I remember this one particular description from one book. I'm glad to hear it if the RCC has repudiated that apparition but it has endorsed others, which are all the same to me. But what authority does one Bishop have in the whole institution?
So Jesus is our intercessor between ourselves and God. That means that God is our intercessor between God and God. You forget that Jesus is both God and Man, fully God and fully Man.
And if Mary being an intercessor is elevating a mere human being above Him (I am assuming you mean God, but you don't seem very clear on this point), Yes above God. She is elevated above her Son Jesus who is God.
then Jesus being an intercessor is raising Jesus above God and that means raising God above God. Are you sure this is what you really meant to say? When you PRAY you can only PRAY TO God. It isn't the intercessor role that is above God, it is treating her as someone who can hear and answer prayers (of millions and millions of Catholics at one time) that puts her above God. {Edit: Or EQUAL to God at least. When she is asked to intercede with her Son as if He couldn't hear your prayers Himself or wouldn't respond directly to one of His sheep, THAT is putting her above God.}
I'm sorry, but I cannot understand how you can possibly say that an intercessor is above God. They're a go-between, someone who is above us, but in no way does it put Mary above God or Jesus. If you think the RC Church is putting Mary above God, why don't they just worship Mary and forget God? They almost do. This message has been edited by Faith, 10-09-2005 09:10 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith if you don't know who Ian Paisley is then you've really be living in a box.
As to your other references, some blog and some op piece? Give me a break.
If you mean by "main Protestant churches" the liberal churches... As to Main Protestant Churches all I mean is those where you're not required to check your brain at the door. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know who Ian Paisley is but what he says at that site is in tune with what Protestants in my circles believe. The fact is that objections to Catholicism are very common among Protestants but they don't usually get into whole dissertations on the subject so it would be hard to find such focused references online. Paisley's is the only one I found on a quick google. But believe me, RCC doctrine is often mentioned in the context of sermons on many subjects in regular Protestant churches. I've heard many.
Yes, jar, I know you mean liberal churches, as you like to think the rest of us have no brain.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't know who Ian Paisley is but what he says at that site is in tune with what Protestants in my circles believe. I don't doubt that at all. Ian Paisley is a sectarian bigot and agitator, a driving force for terrorism and oppression, a fomenter of jihad. It does not surprise me that you'd agree with him.
Yes, jar, I know you mean liberal churches, as you like to think the rest of us have no brain. So once again you put words in posters mouths? Please point out where I said Liberal Churches or withdraw your assertion. What I said was "Churches where you are not required to check your brain at the door." Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I don't know who Ian Paisley is but ...
For your information, Ian Paisley is a protestant leader in Northern Ireland, and has a lot to do with the violence there. He is hardly an impartial source of information about the RCC.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Don't dismiss World Mag blog lightly. It's a big Protestant enterprise. Here's another reference from it, a review of a book about the attempt to bring unity between Protestants and Catholics:
Is the Reformation Over? proves that Protestants and Catholics can, indeed, enjoy unity. But this unity must be at the expense of the gospel. We can embrace Roman Catholicism as a faithful expression of biblical faith, and enjoy ecumenical unity, but it will cost us the very thing Jesus Christ entrusted to us - the Good News that we are justified by grace alone and through faith alone. It is left to the reader to decide if the benefits outweigh the cost. http://grovecity.worldmagblog.com/...ty/archives/018857.html Found the following essay at more than one site. It's very in-house, but it's about the controversy over a major attempt to unify Protestants with Catholicism called Evangelicals and Catholics Together:
Though the ECT documents may have brought the evangelicals a step closer to Rome, they created a rift between those who signed and those who would not.
http://public.csusm.edu/public/guests/rsclark/ECT.html
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3736 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
The Rev. Ian Paisley bought his Rev. from somewhere in America, if I remember correctly. He is the Leader of the DUP, an anti-Catholic, bigoted political party in Northern Ireland. He has been seen on numerous occesions ranting about papistson television, he's convinced the Pope is the Antichrist, he has a burning hatred of all things Catholic and has done more to cause the sectarian hatred and deaths of men, women and children than any other person. He even objected to the Pope visiting N. Ireland!!
He was the one who started burning Catholics out of their homes in the late 1960s, he was the one leading bat-weilding mobs to attack Catholics as they fled their burning homes and he was the one that the British troops went into N. Ireland to protect the Catholics from. He was totally opposed to equality for Catholics in employment, housing and voting, he was a main player in gerrymandering (changing electoral boundaries to ensure Loyalist majorities) and he has, in the past, dismally failed to condemn shootings, bombings, assassinations, prostitution and drug-running by Protestant gangs. You sure you want to use his words as support for your position? Faith, I suggest a little bit of homework before you go citing Ian Paisley as someone who holds the same views as you. That's something that very few self-respecting, non-bigoted Protestants would do.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
A politico eh? Well, I'm against violence on the part of Christians, but the fact remains that what he says on that site is what a great many Protestants believe who do NOT support such violence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Again I deplore the violence, and obviously shouldn't even use him as an example.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
What does unifying the RC Church with Protestant Churches (even though you've provided nothing of substance from even a single CHURCH) have to do with supporting your assertion that Roman Catholics Worship Mary? Trying to wiggle out of your assertions again by moving the goalposts? Don't you ever get tired of being Wrong? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't say you used the word "liberal," jar. It is my word. It is merely the customary word for the kind of Christianity you espouse.
This message has been edited by Faith, 10-09-2005 09:35 PM
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
People, do you think we can stick to the RCC and evolution theme that started this thread?
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3736 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
Sure thing, Asgara. Can you copy the OT posts to a new topic so that we can all remember the context in which things were said? And do you want me to Propose one first?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, I thought there was also a general Protestant vs Catholic theme here. If not, mea culpa.
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