Noah's Ark has been found

It would be my pleasure...John 10:22-38
22 Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon's Colonnade. 24 The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one." 31 Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" 33 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35 If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? 37 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38 But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."(NIV)

According to Jesus...nwr, I have to confess... When I first became a Christian (apporx 2 yrs ago) and began to fear that much of the bible was true, I still thought that evolution was a fact!This particular passage troubled me greatly. I tried all kinds of ways to rationalize it away.The imlications are clear, and as with all things that Jesus said, this one only leaves a man with a black and white decision. He was a master at eliminating double-mindedness.He forces a fundamentalist decision, and the stakes are the epitome of life and death. Not just relatively in this life, but eternally.The relavance of Noahs Ark; or, creationism vs. evolution are actually pale in comparison to the greater test of honesty in general within the heart of each man...Sorry for the prophetic tone, but this isn't a subject we want to get wrong. The impact on humanity; it's past and future, is of the highest magnitude.All of us should think very carefully. Examining not just the opposition, but our own desparately wicked hearts.ps. don't forget to analize this bit:EvC Forum: The definition of science: What should it be? Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

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Any biters in the stream?

This is just your subjective opinion of course. Could you provide a source for this, I am positive that this is wrong. Evidence? Evidence? Who did? If he got along with everyone then who would have crucified him?Your logic is a bit strange mate.And even stranger here: It doesn't mean that Noah's Ark is true, all it means is that Jesus was aware of the story.Anyway, can you provide supporting evidence for your claims, Forum rule 4 asks us to Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation.You have not supported a single claim.Brian.

No buz. I will not hold another Great Debate with you. But if you wish to discuss it in an open thread I am happy to participate, just start a thread.Edited by jar, : edited to add a copy of buz post.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There's an oxymoron if ever I saw one.

I don't see the relevance to the Noah's Ark story. The quote is talking about the Law, and the Noah story surely was not considered to be law.

Indeed evolution is a fact.If you saw the Noah's Ark story in any book other than the Bible, you would immediately recognize it as a fable. You would readily see it as a story containing a moral lesson, but not a description of actual events that occurred.What is it about the Bible, that causes some people to abandon all common sense when reading it? God gave us brains. We were meant to use them.

the verse jesus is quoting is:

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Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

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normally, "the law" refers to ha-torah, the first five book of the christian bible (which, btw, includes the noah story). the curious point is that jesus using "law" in a way that no jewish person would: to refer not only the laws, and not only the torah, but the psalms as well. clearly, psalms are NOT laws.[edit]also, it's out of context.

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Psa 82:1 [[A Psalm of Asaph.] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

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god is not talking to people, he is talking to other gods, NOT MEN. the "congregation" is much like the council that appears in job, yahweh (the most high god) and the lesser gods/sons of god.

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Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

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[/edit]Edited by arachnophilia, : wrong quote boxEdited by arachnophilia, : added info.

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i have a number of good geological reasons to be HIGHLY skeptical of such a find. not the least of which is the fact that old boats are very, very rare archaeological finds, and tend not to preserve very well.

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Rob writes

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nwr, I have to confess... When I first became a Christian (apporx 2 yrs ago) and began to fear that much of the bible was true, I still thought that evolution was a fact!

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Some time ago, an old man told me that your faith and your brain are like your shoes when you try to walk through life. You need both shoes to not hurt yourself. When used together, your shoes can make you a happy person and will protect you from nasty penetrating debris that fill the ground.Right now, it seems to me that you only want to use one shoe rather than two. When you believed that evolution was fact, it was your faith at work and no rational thought involved. Now that you doubt evolution and believe that the bible is a science text book, you are still using your faith without any rational thought.Perhaps it is time to try to use both of your shoes? Remember that for now it doesn't matter which side of the debate you decide to side with. The important thing is you need to filter out all the junk that are floating out there and start questioning the long held beliefs, even those that you hold dear.

Thanks for the correction and clarification.

Well the small story they did on Fox News was a complete waste of time. Totally worthless.

Of course it is completly understandable that a person who believes in a literal and inerrant interpretation of the Bible would like to examine any possible evidence. I would like to see any such evidence examined by impartial bodies myself.What ticks me off is when people manufacture evidence, or even delibrately misinterpret such evidence, in order to make money and not to discover anything remotely resembling the truth. According to my sources this is what is happening here.I have a problem with dishonestly using any religion to further one's personal greed for money, fame, or power. That's why in another thread, after doing the research, I essentially denounced the milk drinking cow statue miracle as degrading Hinduism. I would do the same for any religion, as I feel that provided one knows the facts, it is a moral imperative.After being here just a few months, I am certian I am not alone in this opinion.

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That's why in another thread, after doing the research, I essentially denounced the milk drinking cow statue miracle as degrading Hinduism.

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I missed this. What was the explanation for the statues drinking all the milk? Was there an explanation for why the metal ones also drank milk? Edited by AdminJar, : Not in this threadEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Added link to other topic.

Hi DP. Welcome To EvC. I intended to watch the Fox Kasich segment and totally forgot. Would you mind sharing what Kasich's consencus of the story was and what was covered? Thanks.

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