Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Sorry Ray, I know you're on suspension (again), but Seems to me that you are leaving out a LOT of other possibilities, such as4. You are genuinely and extremely ignorant
5. You are genuinely and extremely confused
6. You are triple agent working for atheist-Darwinism
7. You are double agent working for theist-evolutionetc etc. ad nauseum...The possibility is that you could be totally wrong eh? This of course is a false dichotomy, a false equivalence, and a strawman to boot -- three logical fallacies in one misrepresentation.Doesn't matter what Dennet calls it, it is still a logical fallacy - certainly his error for 'creating' this mishmash, but also your error for quoting it as if it had some validity eh?It is a false statement on three counts: (1) evolution starts with life - it is the change in species (life) over time - while abiogenesis is about the start of life, and (2) evolution is not about 'causing' - it is about how it came to be, thus evolution can be the process whether god caused it or not, and finally (3) mind and god are not equivalent - you can have mind with or without god and you can have mindless with or without god.To expose the false dichotomy consider that you can have alternate "darwinian" paradigm: god caused matter to cause life that evolved mind, or a number of other possibilities. I think the reason you were suspended for this is obviously that you made an ad hominem attack on specific person\people rather than address the argument, and not because of the specific {word} used. That, plus people are free to believe what they want, so there is no point in getting upset with the beliefs of OTHER people (so long as they don't try to force it on you eh?).Finally, you didn't answer my questions: Why shouldn't a YEC say they are upset with you for "supporting that which says their God does not exist ?"And why shouldn't a theistic evolutionary christian say they are upset with you for "supporting that which says their God does not exist ?"By what standard do you judge which belief is valid?Enjoy

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The rules of engagement are well known to you. A person must have a source for their view or it is an unsupported assertion.Your reply is an unsupported assertion.I really don't need Dennett in this case because I have only pointed out what ToE CLAIMS. Dennett doesn't need me either, of course, since he only pointed out what Darwin CLAIMED. In other words, we are attempting to talk about the most basic and fundamental claim of Darwinian evolution: matter is the only thing that exists and it was the cause of all there is (Materialism).In reality, you are subjectively asserting that Darwin was attempting to support a Deity, that the same set in motion a blind and mindless process, while the attributes of this natural law (blind and mindless) are the very qualities that rule a Deity out from creating it and guiding it.I could literally post 10 to 12 other evolutionary authorities that back Dennett and myself. We are talking about a "round earth" fact, that is, the most basic and objective claim of YOUR god-damn theory. Genesis model says: Mind caused matter to exist (Genesis 1:1).

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Darwinian paradigm says: matter caused everything that is to exist. This paradigm admits agnosticism concerning First Cause, that is, HOW matter came into existence in the first place and HOW it produced DNA replication machinery so that the law of natural selection could begin (sources available upon request).These are the objective claims of Evolution and Creationism. TEists are exactly as I described them (Hi Modulous) OR they are double agents working for atheist-Darwinism, that is, enraged atheists posing as theists attempting to do what arch-enemies do to one another: destroy by misrepresentation ("Bible is not in conflict with Evolution"). We are talking about the Darwinian paradigm, apparently you are ignorant. Your previous error continues. We are talking about "Darwin's inversion".Common ancestry is as atheistic as it gets. If not, what is the claim of the God-does-not-exist-view ?Evolution is evidence interpreted in favor of philosophic materialism (Ever Since Darwin Gould:2002:21-25). Now I have incidentially posted two big name evolutionary authorities saying what Evolution CLAIMS (Gould and Dennett). How can Professors who produce much more complicated evidence be unqualified to simply identify the objective claim of the Darwinian paradigm ? Agreement or disagreement concerning the age of the Earth is a far cry from the foundational claims of Creationism and Evolution. Straw man, no YEC says that because an OE does not say what you have just invented. Because they have no source for their view.Evolution says Genesis is completely incorrect, and Genesis says Evolution is completely incorrect.TEists say "there is no conflict" = how we know a closet atheist is speaking or a genuinely ignorant or confused person.Ray Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.

Hey Ray,since when did the bible become just genesis, or is genesis the most important part about the bible?another question: the meaning of the bible, it's message, how is it thrown out the window if genesis isn't true--that is, the whole seven day part? The other's a psuedo historical account, so it doesn't apply to this.Taken in the whole, the bible's message is not in conflict with evolution. Since when did the golden rule, turn the other cheek, and seeking salvation in christ come into conflict with evolution? Edited by AdminJar, : No reason given.

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