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Great! --Percy

If you posted such an answer at 99% of electrical engineer meetings you would have your Mattel Ph.D. taken away from you.Just like commerical GA's the above example has no use since it is clearly convergent truncation evolution and demonstrates that phylogenies are meaningless.Let me put it this way, your example is like playing Super Mario Brother's on a Playstation2 where Donkey Kong is not present. Clearly the 10 proteins do not emulate what you are saying. Just like all evolutionist, your model explains 50% of what you are saying.All you have to do is show ONE example of evolution producing new information...remember in the movie Caddyshack where Rodney Dangerfield passes gas and says "did anyone step on a duck?" This is what I mean.I would continue to debate you but I am going to disappear for the next 3 months and then post again as if the following has never been discussed before in the hopes that you are not around by then.If you want more discussion you can read about it at my sitehttp://www.evolutionfairytalecuzelectricalengineersaysso.com

ahahahaaaLove it!!

That is what is called a "just so" story. If I was in charge of a biological laboratory and you came in and started telling me how a T4 phage can add new information so that it can adapt resistance to chlorox bleach, I would not hesitate to throw you out of the building. Information can only be created by a creator; since DNA is "program", it contains information and could only have been created by a creator. A snowflake isn't a program, it is just following the simple laws of phyiscs to get ordered in patterns. I've reached my three posts per month limit, so I'll be back in November.------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

You all think Your so inteligent dont you??? Yeah einstein said that the stars are million of miles away and so you all just buy it like sheep well i know the truth ... when i got my nobel prize where were you all then huh??? While I was in somalia negotiating Peace in the Middle East, I found a giant fish that HADNT CHANGED IN A BILLION YEARS, and people still keep believing in evolution ... I HAVE A DEGREE, AND YOU DONT BELIEVE ME BECAUSE YOURE BUTTHEADS!!!!! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!! You are so misinformed I'm leaving ...------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Nosiree, no way can a created sun show age. Nonee, NOOOOONEE!!Look buz, what are you saying? You said I said that you said he said your created sun might show itty bitty signs of age? Look buster, I never ever said you said he said any such thing. You're very, very very confused.NO! nO! No! no! NO!!!!! It's NOT GOING TO LOOK OLD. I DONT CARE WHAT HE SAID! HE DIDN'T MEAN IT THE WAY YOUR CONFUSED MIND SAID HE SAID IT.Oh, you mean you said he said "Wellllll, ok, BUT IT's THE LIGHT -- THAT'S IT -- YES -- IT'S THE LIGHT. Yah, it would take a long time for the light to get here. Ok, well then in that light it might look a little old?"What? Gotta look old anyway? Say what? Oh, now I fiiiiinally think I'm fiiiiiinally beginning to see what you are fiiiiiinally getting around to saying about what you meant to say when you said what you meant to say when you had meant to say it had to look old. Welllll, ok, maybe a little bit old, but we'll agree to disagree that we agreed on anything about what we agreed not to agree on. [This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-10-2003]

Hi everybody,I've just developed a new product for you to download which contains the secrets of the universe based on fractions. Its really good and simple. You'll all love it man. I don't pretend to know much about the Universe, but I have discovered its secrets using my brand new tool (did I mention how good it was and how much you'd love using it? I tried it on my wife last night - using the relationship: Happiness = satisfaction / "X" factor and she was so pleased she had to leave the house, with a large suitcase and tears).Using my tool I have been able to predict that the President of the USA is currently Abraham Lincoln - how could anyone have derived this otherwise? Fractions are the key, you see. And my new product (free to you because I like you) is very good. Really good. Tops. A1. Smashing. Hell, I even used a fractional relationship: Good product = sophisticated selling techniques / unsophisticated use of fractions *arctan (stress-energy tensor angle, expressed in degrees and minutes) to write this post.I await your accolades.

Haha, yeah. In all my honest effort though I tried to find the museum, the lady sent my name and my questions across her radio report "BUFO radio". She is sure the musem exists. I have recieved no answers but one day I hope I will.------------------
-chris

I love proving creationists wrong with these papers:"Intelligent Design, NOT!" page 61-87 by Buddy NooneNoone not only explains why intelligent design isn't intelligent, he shows how evolution explains EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY THINK OF.As this evidence shows this is wrong.MrHambre gets post of the month again.

I've noticed that Ken Ham is believed by the Americans, as he tried to speak in the UK and they all laughed him. HAHAHAHAHAHA. I teach in the UK and I exagerate. I am trying to show that creation is stupid and by the USA having more ridiculous creationists this somehow correlates to the UK being superior to the USA. Some guy called me Devil Child! More fuel for my fire!!! ahahahahahahaha..nairB

You guys seriously don't know shit about physics.(P.S. )

wEHEY - I Hope a certain Creo genius doesn't mind. So then IF/And the irreducable gravitational reflex baramin does and does not in one truth apply WHEN we try I'll let you know. In any case I will reply for AND the formula = 1. So then you are asking me not WE concerning biological translation inflation WHEN Gould is for my influence I'll hop aboard the Matchett train to Baramin heaven on seven eleven. Untill disclosure of full NOT E versus your c I'll await Gould's notion TO/SEE - on 3 questions paradventure daily. Wow they say in a baramin way - I hope that clears it up for you! - If not the chance/cause doesn't haul fours so seek a slick slack approach on fulfilling MY/- cockroach.

Classic... great job ------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Cheers Rei It took every ounce of baramin.

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Maybe you're just overstating this DNA-as-information thing

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/*MrHambre*/And maybe you have your head up your ass. Have you ever heard of a branch of science called biology? Does the word 'science' ring a bell, you frickin' retard? Here, read this again...all of it, and try to understand it. I only post it every time I post, you should find at least some of it familiar if you weren't so criminally deluded!!!

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I've even provided a few examples above from those books. Scientists took human genes - DNA base sequences - and transferred them to bacteria: the bacteria then produced human proteins. Where did the bacteria get the information needed to construct the specific, low-probability human proteins, accurately and consistently, over and over again. From the human DNA that was transferred into them.

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Scientists fiddled with genes in fruit flies (Droshophila melanogaster) and caused eyes to form on the legs and other areas. What caused the formation of these structures where they shouldn't be? Expression of DNA where it shouldn't be expressed. DNA contains the information used to form those structures.

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What about fruit flies having legs where their antennae should be? What causes this? Mutations in their DNA: simply put, it messes up the information stored resulting in the proper arrangement of matter not occuring.

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Genetics texts will explain the following to you also: going back to my very first point. Why are you a human instead of a squid, or a fruit fly, or a pine tree, or a sponge, or a bat? Because of the genetic information stored in your DNA. It takes information to produce specific arrangements of matter, such as a person instead of a tree. What are your children? Are they toads, or worms, or E. coli? No, they are human too. Why? Because of the genetic information - stored as DNA base sequences in your and their mother's gametes - passed from you to them. (Being Right Makes Me a Target for Frickin' Retards, and I Have No Hidden Agenda, Esteban Hambre, Discovery Institute Press, 2003, p. 122)

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/*MrHambre*/ Got it? Still think that bitter loser Lewontin (who's wrong because he disagrees with me, in case you couldn't tell) has anything worth listening to? Then read the following again, and try to understand it.

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But first of all we need a clear picture of what Information is. I capitalize the word here to signal that it has a somewhat different meaning in science than in daily usage. ...

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What Is Information?
Information, in its connotation in physics, is a measure of order - a universal measure applicable to any structure, any system. It quantifies the instructions that are needed to produce a certain organization. This sense of the word is not too far from the one it once had in old Latin. Informare meant to form, to shape, to organize. There are several ways one could quantify here, but a specially convenient one is in terms of binary choices. So, in the case of Maxwell’s demon we would ask, how many yes and no choices he makes to achieve a particular molecular organization, and we would get the answer here in bits. In general, then, we compute the information inherent in any given arrangement of matter (or energy) from the number of choices we must make to arrive at that particular arrangement among all equally possible ones. We see intuitively that the more arrangements are possible, the more information is needed to get to that particular arrangement. (The Touchstone of Life: Molecular Information, Cell Communication, and the Foundations of Life, Werner R. Loewenstein, Oxford University Press, 1999, p5-6)

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With this we now can go beyond our earlier illustrative statement of information in terms of choices made by entities endowed with brains (the appropriate statement for human signals and communications) to a definition in the deeper sense of the two equations, in terms of the probabilities of the system’s component states, that is, in terms of how far away the system is from total disorder or maximum entropy — how improbable it is. This is the sense of information that will be immediately useful when we concern ourselves with the self-organizing molecular systems of living beings, which pull themselves up from disorder. (The Touchstone of Life: Molecular Information, Cell Communication, and the Foundations of Life, Werner R. Loewenstein, Oxford University Press, 1999, p10)

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/*Hambre inna house*/ And helping to pull the two together even more...

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"However improbable a structure may be because of its order, it can always be generated if sufficient energy and information are available. Energy and information are, in other words, two indispensable prerequisites for the existence of life. Order can be brought about, maintained, and even extended in biological systems provided that adequate information and energy are available. The information is required to specify what form that order should take, and the energy is needed to drive the reactions and processes that lead to the order." (Wayne M. Becker, Jane B. Reece, & Martin F. Poenie, The World of the Cell: Third Edition, Benjamin/Cummings Publishing Co., 1996, p112)

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... [as a human] you are improbable because you are so highly ordered, but you are nonetheless possible because of the information available to you (in the DNA of your cells) and the copious quantities of energy at your disposal (in the bond energies of the food you eat). (Wayne M. Becker, Jane B. Reece, & Martin F. Poenie, The World of the Cell: Third Edition, Benjamin/Cummings Publishing Co., 1996, p112)

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/*MrHambre*/ Why even bother me with your nonsense? It's not like I come to the Burger King and knock the burger off your spatula, so I think the burden is on you to get your shit straight and grow up and don't bother us serious scientists about our serious science stuff!!!

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I can't help but detect some hidden agenda. What point are you trying to make with all this?

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/*MrHambre*/Just that DNA contains information and you're a retard, which should be obvious by now. Do I have to post what Lowenstein and Becker said again, or have you managed to retain it for the time being?/*still MrHambre*/ If I had some hidden agenda, I'd come right out and say I HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA!!! and even put it in big bold italic capital letters like that too. As it is, I have no agenda, you're just letting your insipid imagination run wild!!! I never made any indication of where I think DNA's incredible, seemingly otherworldly information comes from, though you're a frickin retard if you think it didn't come from somewhere. I never claimed, and never denied, that it would require an Intelligence to put this information into DNA, even though it's obvious to non-retards that undirected chemical processes are essentially and irrefutably inadequate to produce DNA-like information!!! If you think that saying the obvious, that biology is much more magical and wonderful than inert chemical reactions and only ignorant fools like you don't realize it constitutes some sort of bias, you may want to get your head out of your ass and read about biology. After you grow up.[This message has been edited by MrHambre, 01-17-2004]