An amazing story

True, true... Just my opinion, but it was not necessary to throw out that jab....

Some who sacrifice for their beliefs end up loving God more as time goes on. I don't see how her sacrificing for a few years confers any special authority on her.

How can you have an opinion based on no knowledge whatever?

By observation and interpretation of observation.....In my opinion most people who believe in myths are people who have trouble dealing with reality otherwise. Like I said, just my opinion...I see it everyday here in America.,,. I mean, give me a break. There are tons of people who don't believe in basic science like evolution, geology, etc... yet have no problems using antibiotics or eating pest-resistant crops. Honestly, IMO a lot of them are crazy.

You've missed all the discussions about that particular piece of nonsense. Ho ho ho, we use science but we deny evolution. Evolution is an explanatory system, it is not science as such. Science is merely misused to support evolution. Just a stupid piece of straw man slander. We have no problem with science. REAL science.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-06-2006 10:25 PM

But that's what science is.

Um, Faith.... Honestly, you might want to just stop now.... Hmmm.... so what is science? Oh, I know, let's check Dictionary.com. WOW, can you believe it???? Science IS the explanation of phenomena. I tell you, I'm dumbfounded.Science Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.comI love it when people make my point for me.GO ILLINI!

When someone resorts to the dictionary to make their case I know they haven't a clue what the conversation is about. Evolution is this gigantic meta-explanation, pure fantasy, into which scientific data is merely crammed. It does not fit it any better than it fits creationism. It's purely a habit of thought. I'm sure you haven't tried to think it through yourself, have you? Few do. You take it on authority or on faith. But if you try, really try to track down a piece of data, say, and understand how it fits evolution, you just find yourself in a morass of imaginative scenarios that have no actual objective support.This message has been edited by Faith, 01-06-2006 10:36 PM

There's no cramming necessary, and quite frankly, you would know that if you'd ever set foot into a biology classroom.Let's be honest. Your constant and hilarious biological blunders make it absolutely clear that you have absolutely no basis for concluding what you do. Well, let's try it. Open a thread and we'll do just that. Or is this going to be one more of your insupportable claims?

It's not something that can be done on a thread it seems to me. I used to try to track all kinds of claims down and the effort leads nowhere. That was before I was a Christian too, when I still took the ToE on faith. I don't have the energy to do all that again. But I wish others would try it for themselves. I don't mean scientists I mean ordinary people, because you have a habitual way of thinking that will prevent you from doing what I'm suggesting.

Yes, you are right, looking in the dictionary to find out the definition of a word is definitely a terrible idea. Next time I want to know the definition of a word I'll ask my imaginary friend instead of consulting a refernce book.Look, if you don't want to believe in evolution; fine. Fortunately for you, drugs tested on chimps will still work, antibiotics will still work, gene therapy will still work, geneticly engineered crops will still feed you. Because it all works faith; whether YOU believe in it or not! That's the GREAT thing about science. It just works without regard to what anyone belives.To get back on-topic (although, I guess it doesn't matter in the coffee house), I felt bad for the woman in the story because she was so brainwashed that she had a breakdown when she finally experienced reality. And then her church had the audacity to make her choose between dogma and reality. They DEMANDED they she accept INSANE thoughts like the world being 6000 years old. It's no wonder she had such a rough time of it.Cheers and of course GO ILLINI

I did. Why do you think I stopped being a creationist and became an evolutionist? Scientists can't be ordinary people? What do you think they are, Martians?Why do you hate scientists so much, Faith?

Yet, you have the energy to come on this board and deny basic science without having any understanding of it.Geez, I only took basic biology in college (being an engineer my focus was much more on physics), and even I can easily see that the evidence for evolution is overwhelming.I mean, what other explanation is there? Is god a liar and a trickster that planted fossils to test our belief? Again, this is why I enjoyed this woman's story so much. I mean there is only so much ludicrous non-explanation one can listen too.I just envision a kid in the corner with his hands over his ears yelling "NA NA NA NA NA NA NA... I can't hear you. I can't hear you"

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Years later she found out she had epilepsy.

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And she started having these "religious" experiences in the midst of her studies--religion in a library, so to speak.

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Is not uncommon.Epileptics, particularly temporal lobe epileptics, are known to often be hyper-religious people. I wonder if Armstrong is one of them? excerpt:

You haven't been here very long and have no idea what has been argued and what I've argued. Of course you think you can "see" the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. You've swallowed whole what you've been taught, you never really tried thinking it through for yourself -- because very very few ever do -- and you never tried thinking about it from any other point of view.The other explanation for the fossils is the worldwide Flood. Check out some of the threads on that. You won't accept the explanation but it isn't "god is a liar and a trickster who planted fossils to test our belief." You've obviously not paid any attention to the creationist argument, so you shouldn't be saying anything whatever about it. The only way that enormous number of fossils could have been made is in a water-soaked environment that happened in a brief period of time. And the layers of the geological column are too neat to have been built up one homogeneous layer at a time over millions of years. It's absurd. Marine fossils in the deserts and in the high mountains? The Flood. All they have is local explanations, but these phenomena are worldwide. Read some of the threads on it. You are raising the entire evo-creo debate off topic on this thread and from a totally uninformed position.