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Author Topic:   Cow's milk - why do you keep sipping the poison?
Agobot
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Message 31 of 84 (480009)
08-31-2008 3:04 PM
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08-31-2008 2:45 PM


Whether it has stood the test of time is the topic of ongoing reasearches(the claim that is made on that website, is made by a milk lover and no links or evidence is referenced as to on what clinical study that claim is made) . Current knowledge points to cow's milk being a cancer promoting agent(among other pathological conditions like obesity, heart attacks from too much cholesterol in milk, etc.).
Also, what makes cow's milk more beneficial to us humans than rat's milk or dog's milk or any other mammal's milk?
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Message 32 of 84 (480010)
08-31-2008 3:22 PM
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08-31-2008 3:04 PM


what makes cow's milk more beneficial to us humans than rat's milk or dog's milk or any other mammal's milk?
Likely nothing. But if I was forced to pick between milking a rat or a cow, I'd take the cow.

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Message 33 of 84 (480342)
09-02-2008 5:37 PM
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08-31-2008 3:22 PM


I'd have to go with flavor. It just tastes good. I think i'll have a glass right now.

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Message 34 of 84 (480351)
09-02-2008 7:35 PM
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09-02-2008 5:37 PM


Cheers.

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Message 35 of 84 (480352)
09-02-2008 8:37 PM
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08-30-2008 3:51 PM


Got icecream?
I don't understand what you are ragging on about! I have been drinking cow's milk and milk products for almost all of my 69 years and I have never felt healthier in my enti

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Mylakovich
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Message 36 of 84 (480503)
09-04-2008 5:32 AM
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08-31-2008 3:04 PM


quote:
Also, what makes cow's milk more beneficial to us humans than rat's milk or dog's milk or any other mammal's milk?
Probably due to ease of production. Cattle have been an important agricultural resource for thousands of years. Via domestication, they can be induced to produce comercially viable quantities yearround. It's just a matter of logistics.

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Agobot
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Message 37 of 84 (480516)
09-04-2008 8:07 AM
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09-04-2008 5:32 AM


Mylakovich writes:
Via domestication, they can be induced to produce comercially viable quantities year round.
You wanted to say "via impregnation(artificial)". Before the cow can produce milk, in common with other species of mammal, she must first become pregnant and give birth. To maximise production, each calf is taken from its mother within 24-48 hours of birth. Calves would naturally suckle for 6 to 12 months. During the first 2 months, hormones concentrations in cow's milk are at their highest(and likely doing the utmost damage, as the research shows)
As the statics show, there is an alarming increased rate in obesity, cancer and cardiovascular problems in young children and adults. With the recent discoveries about cancers and dairy products, I believe that dairy products are one of the main contributors to these deadly life draining diseases. I do miss the delicious taste of cheese, but if it will rob me of precious energy and a fruitful life, I will not take the chance and pass on the cheese and other dairy products, thank you.
Cows don’t drink cow’s milk, so why do humans? What in the world are humans doing drinking cow’s milk? If a grown cow was offered milk, it would sniff it and say, “No, thanks, I’ll have the grass.” Think about it. Could our creator possibly have set things up in such a way that the only species on earth to drink cow’s milk would be human beings? Perhaps you are thinking to yourself, “what’s he thinking about, calves drink cow’s milk!” Exactly! Cow’s milk was designed and created for one purpose and one purpose only: to feed the young of the species. No animals drink or want to drink milk once they are weaned.
Also, the enzymes necessary to break down and digest milk in humans are renin and lactase. They are all but gone by the age of three in most humans. There is an element in all milk known as casein. There is three hundred times more casein in cow’s milk than in human’s milk. That’s for the development of HUGE bones. Casein coagulates in the stomach and forms large, tough, dense, difficult-to-digest curds that are adapted to the four-stomach digestive apparatus of a cow.
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Mylakovich
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Message 38 of 84 (480555)
09-04-2008 11:20 AM
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09-04-2008 8:07 AM


I believe that the levels of obesity and cancer are more likly due to the level of refined sugar and high-fructose corn syrup and other corn products. I don't have the statistics on hand but I understand that HFCS is much more potent source of empty calories.
Could our creator possibly have set things up in such a way that the only species on earth to drink cow’s milk would be human beings?
lol
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Message 39 of 84 (480576)
09-04-2008 2:45 PM
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09-04-2008 8:07 AM


Cows don't, but surely they would
agobot writes:
Cows don’t drink cow’s milk, so why do humans?
And chickens don't eat eggs, but humans do. Cows don't eat beef, but we do, Asparagus don't eat Asparagus but we do.
I can see your point clearly now

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Agobot
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Message 40 of 84 (480587)
09-04-2008 5:39 PM
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09-04-2008 2:45 PM


Nonsense does not belong in this thread
kongstad writes:
And chickens don't eat eggs, but humans do. Cows don't eat beef, but we do, Asparagus don't eat Asparagus but we do.
I can see your point clearly now
No you don't see ANYTHING(at least not clearly).
We eat eggs but so do lots of animals(crocs, birds and lots of mammals).
We eat beaf but so do large preditors.
We eat asparagus but so do sharks and dolphins.
We humans drink cow's milk but so do ...
PLEASE finish the sentence.
Here is a little hint so you don't fail in seeing something:
-Calves
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Message 41 of 84 (480589)
09-04-2008 5:52 PM
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09-04-2008 5:39 PM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
quote:
We humans drink cow's milk but so do ...
Every dog I've ever had quite happily drank milk. And, while I've never been a cat owner, I believe they find it quite a treat as well. And by dogs and cats, I'm referred to the adult of both species, not just their young, just in case you were wondering.

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lyx2no
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Message 42 of 84 (480590)
09-04-2008 5:54 PM
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09-04-2008 5:39 PM


Clearly, Nonsense Does Not Belong in this Thread
We eat asparagus but so do sharks and dolphins.
Both sharks and dolphins have the wrong dentition to eat asparagus. Manatees would be much more suited to asparagus. Just a sec . nope you're right. I was thinking artichoke. Yeah, I wouldn't eat either, hotdogs and milk; that's my game.

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Agobot
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Message 43 of 84 (480592)
09-04-2008 6:17 PM
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09-04-2008 5:52 PM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
Subbie writes:
Every dog I've ever had quite happily drank milk. And, while I've never been a cat owner, I believe they find it quite a treat as well. And by dogs and cats, I'm referred to the adult of both species, not just their young, just in case you were wondering.
I wonder if your dogs would drink if you didn't put sugar in it. Dogs in nature do not drink the calf's milk.

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Message 44 of 84 (480593)
09-04-2008 6:22 PM
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09-04-2008 6:17 PM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
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I wonder if your dogs would drink if you didn't put sugar in it. Dogs in nature do not drink the calf's milk.
I never put sugar in the milk. Rather telling that you have to resort to unsupported assumptions to sustain your position, isn't it? Makes one wonder what other unsupported assumptions are in your argument.

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Agobot
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Message 45 of 84 (480594)
09-04-2008 6:43 PM
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09-04-2008 6:22 PM


Re: Nonsense does not belong in this thread
Subbie writes:
I never put sugar in the milk. Rather telling that you have to resort to unsupported assumptions to sustain your position, isn't it? Makes one wonder what other unsupported assumptions are in your argument.
What claim did you support with evidence? What animal is feeding(not fed by humans) on other animal's milk? What research did you present that the 60 hormones found in cow's milk are not damaging and causing cancer? Or the high levels of cholesterol that block blood vessels and cause heart attacks(one of the 3 leading causes of death worldwide)?
You merely point out that someone's dog is drinking cow's milk when presented with the opportunity. And you try to make it out like... if his dog drinks milk, it's probably safe for us. Before you can jump to that conclusion and declare my findings wrong, you have to first find the arguments, the facts and the data.
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