Intelligence

What difference?Myself, I've always drawn a distinction between intelligence and cleverness. Most of my college friends are of high intelligence, being mathematicians and computer scientists, etc; but maybe one of them possesses any sort of cleverness.On the other hand, the cleverest man I knew lived in a motel doing maintenece work for the owner at maybe a tenth of what he could be earning as a general contractor. He had an ability to come up with expeditent solutions to problems - of any kind - and do it quickly. He wasn't what anybody would call "brilliant" but he had a piercing cleverness about him.Cleverness, IMO, is way more useful than intelligence. I'd rather have the clever guy in the clutch than any of my high-IQ friends.

Do you mean she knows it's a good thing and she doesn't need to be there to know it?If so, I understand that. But when you look past her to a known genius you see the difference of a faster and more powerful and more capable mind.On a sideline:One thing I've noticed for myself was that I got smarter when I started looking outside my own box into the realm of other people. What that means is when people talked I would actually listen without just waiting for my turn to talk. When I do that I'm in the other person's mind waiting to hear what it's going to tell me. I was afraid to do that before because I didn't want to stay in their mind, which is entirely possible, look at an unintelligent person that hangs out with a person of great potential, the possibility of dragging the person down is there and it happens when the latter conforms and is encapsulated by the former. That's why we want our kids to have good friends. So, that has really helped for me in getting smarter - I found - and I also see now that you don't lose your own mind as long as you still have time for yourself and a varying degree of friends for an equal distribution of conversations.

A 14 year old completes a masters in chemistry! That's intelligence.

No, I mean she is a person of high intellect and has made stupid decisions. Her IQ did not keep her out of prison. (I like Martha by the way.) Yes I believe IQ is a matter of both genetics and environment, as with most things in the human condition nature and nurture seem to shape our minds and bodies. Having a open mind will certainly expand it IMO. And by the same token the former could take on the example of the latter and thus learn something from his intelligent friend.
I also believe that all men have potential it certainly helps to have the advantage of high IQ. good friends or smart friends, or smarter friends? I myself have had good friends that were not the sharpest knife in the drawer but that did not mean they were not enjoyable. Sometimes I feel that IQ is used as a elitest disquised form of bigotry.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Shouldn't you be on your knees thanking me for getting this thread going?

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The Laminator
We are the bog. Resistance is voltage over current. For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

HAHAH.. I actually did laugh out loud there!*Bows to Lam*

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Sometimes I feel that IQ is used as a elitest disquised form of bigotry.

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Like the English? ....I am of English decent actually, there you go.The duller friends are certainly entertaining but after a while I find it does stick sometimes.

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Yes I believe IQ is a matter of both genetics and environment, as with most things in the human condition nature and nurture seem to shape our minds and bodies. Having a open mind will certainly expand it IMO.

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I think and have been taught that as well. I imagine most do. This message has been edited by Mission for Truth, 08-31-2004 02:43 PM

Who writes the IQ test to test the person who's IQ is higher?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Someone who's smarter?

Does anyone know if there are any accurate IQ tests on the internet? I've taken numerous but I have serious doubts as to the validity of some of them. It can be hard to correlate the results, too. If you aren't given a percentile ranking, you have to have some idea which scale you're working on.I've scored as high as 171, but frankly, I don't trust these online tests; 171 sounds way too high, I don't think I'm anywhere near that. And even if it is accurate, I have no idea what scale it was using.I honestly think that some of those tests are designed solely to massage your ego; "Oh wow! Look how smart you are!"So anyway, are there any online tests that give anything approaching realistic results?

I would stick with the IQ tests at http://www.highiqsociety.com try their "ultimate IQ test" and let me know in this thread what you get. I can't get anything higher then 143 for the life of me.

Hey Mission! Thanks for the link. I took the "Ultimate IQ Test" and scored 148.Actually, I'm kind of pissed off now that I didn't try harder on those "Which of these can not be created from the unfolded pattern?" questions. Some of them were obvious but I didn't stay too long on the ones that weren't. Now I'm wishing I had. Unfortunately, when I'm sitting there looking at the blasted things I just don't have the patience.I still can't help but wonder, though, how accurate are these, really?

I have no patience for the unfolded pattern questions as well! But oh well. I don't think it's that accurate of a test either. Although, you can see the difference between people who try it. But it certainly doesn't map the entire dynamics of one's intellect - I think most would agree.This message has been edited by Mission for Truth, 09-02-2004 09:49 AM

I once took an online IQ test that resulted in the 70's. Guess I wasn't as smart as I hoped I was.

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The Laminator
We are the bog. Resistance is voltage over current. For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!