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I appreciate its short hand, but I'm not sure this is a good reflection. I don't there really is that much dislike. I was thinking of a two fold effect. It might be a dislike of the person's position OR it might be, to some people, like a sport where we don't dislike the opposition but we sure do like to see a stylish score against them.I was probably thinking more on the second line than the first, and I appreciate that doesn't reduce down to something snappy. By all means leave it as is, but I thought I'd at least dedicate one post in here to expanding on it slightly.

I gave you my view. It's a political matter. See message #68.

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I don't think your data is sufficient to point to any particular conclusion.(The POTM nominations that I have gotten are usually from people not involved in the debate at all. Most of the positive reactions that I get from people involved in the debate are posted in the debate.In either case, I am gratified that I have gotten through to one person. I don't see it as a grand I-am-right trend. If I was on the other "side", I wouldn't see it as a grand conspiracy theory either.)Your data only shows that bad ideas elicit good rebuttals.

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I'd be interested if you could point me to the thread where you reach this conclusion about me.

Well, that's a political matter. I don't know if the Fundamentalists think that people shouldn't be able to believe what they want to believe. I don't think most of them think that. Obviously, they think they are right; otherwise they wouldn't think as they do. But I feel the same way. Anyone who doesn't think they're right ought to change their mind and adopt some position that they do think is right.

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"The whole of life goes like this. We seek repose by battling against difficulties, and once they are overcome, repose becomes unbearable because of the boredom it engenders."--Pascal

Me neither. s'why I asked for opinions Thank you for voting: rebutting foolishness etc is taking the lead thus far.

From post 41A bad argument is cannon fodder here.The 'reason' descriptions are just brief generalisations. But if your not happy I'll pull it or slot you into another category when I next update.

Ahhh ok ,
I misread your post, I thought you were suggesting that I had been particularly guilty of putting fwd bad arguments.

If I take a view on something then I also think I am right - but I always try to be aware that I might be wrong.It happens occasionally A Fundamentalist, on the other hand, knows they are right and is unwilling to admit the possibility they could be wrong.I have believed for a long time that people who are convinced they have the only possible right answer (about anything) are at the very least potentially dangerous.As an aside, the reason I try to avoid getting carried away with believing I'm right about something isn't anything to do with the tentativity of science or rooted in any philosophical concept - it's that I discovered many moons ago that I just don't like the taste of humble pie when I do screw up!

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- You don't think the Biblical God exists? But you could be wrong in which case he does exist- you don't think that if he exists that he has a method of salvation which is one way only. Salvation by faith in what he has done to enable you to be saved? But you could be wrong in which case, salvation by faith it is.- You don't think that when he saves a person he lets the person enter into a relationship with him and confirms that relationship and is able to let the person know beyond all doubt that this is the way he saved them. That they are not in fact deluded (something you might admit is a relative drop in the ocean for him to do). But you could be wrong.Now if you were wrong on these three point then what other position do you expect a 'fundementalist' to take - to whit: To align oneself with the norms of a temporary fad: currently a pluralistic, post-modern, "all views are valid" society would be nothing short of denying what eternal,unchanging God has confirmed. Despite the cart loads of ridicule poured out on the 'fundimentalist' view (the definition of which appears to me to be a very moveable feast) there really can be no contest.PS: MT would you like to cast your vote on the thread topic (or give another view. Relevant info in the OPThis message has been edited by iano, 21-Apr-2006 01:53 AMThis message has been edited by iano, 21-Apr-2006 01:56 AMThis message has been edited by iano, 21-Apr-2006 01:57 AM

You hit the nail on the head, Robin, except that it's not so much of a phenomenon as it is cause and effect. The cause = vast majority of members are evolutionists. Effect = The majority pat one another on the back in POTM peanut gallery, opining with their "amen" to the wonderful and inspiring preaching of the evolution science.

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By experience and pretty much by definition I would expect a Fundamentalist to take the position they are right of course.They would ignore those all-important conditional parts which I regard as crucial.I'm still mulling over my vote (I'm a man who lives by his signature ).

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Faith alone buzsaw is not. Nosuree. Faith is not only dead without works as per the Bible, but it's dead without supportive evidence as per the Bible. I don't mean to derail the thread with a discussion on this, but just want to go on record to correct this error. I realize that for the purpose of this thread I am in the group you call faith alone-ers, but want folks to understand that faith alone doesn't cut it in debating our postitions here.The more we Biblical IDists rely on faith alone, the more wonderful POTMs our counterparts will be inspired to post for those countering our messages.

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Whilst I think I understand the drift and agree with you that Faith alone is a rather limited statement of the position it would help if you could clarify whether you want off the list. No prob if you do.If the reason was simply this.. ...then I see little cause for concern. In the actual act of fishing (which will go on for long after this thread is dead and buried) the Faith alone position can be(and usually is) fleshed out. I cannot see the relevance of whether or not this causes more Potms or their nomination. Especially given your viewpoint as to why these occur in the first place.Anyway Buzz, let me know. One swallow don't make a summer. Neither does a post derail a thread (much of the train has already left the rails )This message has been edited by iano, 21-Apr-2006 02:54 AM

A condition can exist whereby the fundimentalist position is perfectly valid. And one where it is not. You don't know the status of the condition so don't know which view (theirs or yours) is valid. They, on the other hand do. And so their position is valid.They cannot be expected to hold some alternative, more politically correct position simply because of your lack of knowledge as to the actual status of the conditionAlthough they bend over backwards trying to point it out to you