The Flood = many coincidences

Geochemists would be very disappointed in this explanation... And that often has to do with the chemistry of rocks. But, yes, Geology is about many things. Ummmm, sure. Where do you get this stuff? Yes, geology is a very big subject. But I'm not sure of your point here.

Nevins, er... Austin is a great creationist deceiver. Well, they seem to be processes that affect things that Robert Byers doesn't understand.

I find your response completely incomprehensible, or in the vernacular, what the hell are you going on about?When I took sedimentology, chemical reactions seemed quite important as to what form the resultant ancient sediment would become.As for the field of paleontology, you do (or should) recognize that it is not limited to just dinosaurs, it also includes invertebrates, fungi, and bacteria, just as the sedimentology portion of the geosciences includes chemistry, physics, biology, and mathematics (and even English, in nations where it is the primary language).Edited by anglagard, : Last two paragraphs along with a period that is more properly a comma.Edited by anglagard, : Proper grammar, best be pure before being critical of othersEdited by anglagard, : third sentence added plus a few phrases

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

Robert, you are simply ignoring some very important concepts. Chemistry has everything to do with how rocks form, how they weather, how the cement together, how they age, etc. Some of that chemistry comes from life. For example, the banded iron formations seen prior to the Cambrian was due to the biological production of oxygen. This free oxygen oxidized soluble iron and turned it into insoluble iron oxide (aka rust). Limestone and chalk are made up of the skeletons of living creatures.Understanding chemistry and biology is vital to studying rocks. It can't be done without this knowledge.

Actually, it would still be geology. Geology is concerned with the materials that form the solid portion of the earth. So although the magma is not yet solid, it is the precursor to the solid material (rock) and is therefore still a topic for discussion in Geology.As a material scientist I study the strength and properties of solid materials (ceramics, metals, polymers etc). However, when studying the properties of these materials a full understanding of their chemical components is necessary. This includes the materials in their molten state, even though i can't run a tensile test on a liquid.In order to understand the tensile strength of steel it is also necessary to understand the solubility of oxygen and carbon in molten iron. Molten iron is not steel but it is still a valid topic when discussing metallurgy.In the same way, although magma may not be a rock, its chemical composition and cooling rates are necessary to understand the properties of the rock it will form when cooled.Also, grain size of rocks/minerals is extremely important in understanding the cooling rates of molten materials. I work with grain size measurements all the time in metallurgy to see how quickly a material was quenched. I can even look at grain growth and tell in which direction the material cooled. Wrong again. The cooling rates of molten rock have profound consequences to the mechanical properties and grain structure of these rocks. It has EVERYTHING to do with geology. Magma processes, their cooling rates and solubility rates are integral to geology. But thats exactly why cooling rates and cooling calculations matter. These rates determine the grain size in both metallic and non-metallic crystalline structures. These processes are what make rocks and bigger rocks. So, heck yes they matter. And cooling rates are not even restricted to chemistry. They are predominantly a physics issue. Cooling and phase change is a physical change not a chemical change.But what do I know after a few classes in phase diagrams and material thermodynamics?I see the issue here. Byers is trying to separate the sciences. He believes that all of the sciences are mutually exclusive. And he needs to believe this. Its the only way he can tear down the ones that oppose his beliefs without realizing that he's a kook.To Byers, physics is physics and has nothing to do with chemistry. Geology is geology and has nothing to do with chemistry. I guess that's news to those of us who studied material science or geology. I always thought chemistry was based on the physics of atoms and molecules. I guess all these experiments i've been running with astounding predictability and accuracy are wrong.

See Message 433. Robert hasn't posted to this thread since.--Percy

To borrow a few words of another: Nothing in geology makes sense except in the light of chemistry.My job entails attempting to unravel the mysteries of why and how ore deposits form and this would be impossible without a good understanding of chemistry. I use chemistry every single day as a geologist.

Natural disasters may come and go and at times it led to a huge amount of disasters we've to guarantee that when they do happen again, they would not cause just as much as hardships and tragedies. Basically, prevention defeats safety. We need to have flood barriers in store for future use.

You're either completely clueless or an incompetent spammer. If the former then please be careful to post about the topic next time. If the latter then please just go away.