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lfen Member (Idle past 4705 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
He is all of these things so its not speaking out of both sides of my mouth. All three attributes need to be accounted for in one whole Well I know some one who was raised in some sort of hell fire guilt tripping Christian church. He has converted happily to his wife's Jewish faith. I finds it a relief from the Christia vision he was raised with. Now I know less about Judaism than I do Christianity and I don't the fellow that converted well. I am also of the opinion that the way upbeat Christianity of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker to name one well known representive of a whole upbeat "give me seed money so you can drive Cadillac's with Jesus too" Christianity is high paying con. I am skeptical about any of these sales techniques, whether it's get rich (monetary or spiritually i.e. get into heaven free) or scare tactics. I'm more interested in ordinary life truths. The Christians who impress me are those who's love in demonstrable in the way they deal with life. This love is not exclusive to Christians though, there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and even atheists whose lives have it. It's not where they found it that is important to me but that they found it. lfen Edited by lfen, : cleared up the ambiguity of "him" by substituting "the fellow that converted" Edited by lfen, : changed misplaced quote mark
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
lfen writes: The Christians who impress me are those who's love in demonstrable in the way they deal with life. This love is not exclusive to Christians though, there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and even atheists whose lives have it. It's not where they found it that is important to me but that they found it. Preach the Gospel Brother, preach the GOSPEL. It is not about death, it is about LIFE. It really is that simple. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Jar writes: It is not about death, it is about LIFE. I apprehended that life was just the precusor to a greatly longer 'Eternal Life' in heaven. Don't xians believe this 'life' is about doing Yahweh's work and getting into heaven?
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Preach the Gospel! Well almost...
I apprehended that life was just the precusor to a greatly longer 'Eternal Life' in heaven. Finite starters inserted into an infinite meal. Everyone is sat at a table - Christian or no. Some tables are at the Ritz and others at McDonalds.
Don't xians believe this 'life' is about doing Yahweh's work and getting into heaven? Living in relationship with God and all that that entails - its not all work you know. There's time for play and plain old fun too. There is no "about getting into heaven" That'll come when it comes - sooner or later. Dead cert. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Well I know some one who was raised in some sort of hell fire guilt tripping Christian church. He has converted happily to his wife's Jewish faith. I (He?) finds it a relief from the Christia vision he was raised with. Doctor: "You have terminal intestinal cancer and are going to die a slow, painful death"Patient "I don't like the sounds of that think I'll get a second opinion" Some time later.... New Age herbalist "You don't have cancer you have an irritated bowl due to toxin build up - take these herbs and all will be well Patient: "Good news indeed, I'm not going to die!"
Now I know less about Judaism than I do Christianity and I don't (know?) the fellow that converted (all that?) well. Judaism is a(nother) works based Religion
I am also of the opinion that the way upbeat Christianity of Jim and Tammy Faye Baker to name one well known representive of a whole upbeat "give me seed money so you can drive Cadillac's with Jesus too" Christianity is high paying con. I don't know them myself but there are plenty of shysters out there. A fool and his money are easily parted.
The Christians who impress me are those who's love in demonstrable in the way they deal with life. This love is not exclusive to Christians though, there are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and even atheists whose lives have it. It's not where they found it that is important to me but that they found it. Fair enough.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar writes: It is not about death, it is about LIFE. I apprehended that life was just the precusor to a greatly longer 'Eternal Life' in heaven. Don't xians believe this 'life' is about doing Yahweh's work and getting into heaven?
Some Christians do. Many of us though believe that the afterlife is pretty much a given, most everybody is going to heaven, so it's not a big part of everyday life or the theology. Frankly, none of us really have a clue about what heaven or hell are, or if they really exist. But we do know about life here on earth, this turn of the wheel, and that is where we believe a persons emphasis should be. The New Testament is filled with examples of Jesus telling folk to just get on with their lives. Christianity is a religion of life, not death. Edited by jar, : fix quotebox Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I think that I am probably right about the things I think I'm right about. But I think the difference is that I am willing to consider changing anything at all about what I think is correct, given the appropriate impetus. Everyone does think they are right, but most people are unwilling to entertain any notion that they could be wrong.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hahaha! No it isn't.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well I know some one who was raised in some sort of hell fire guilt tripping Christian church. He has converted happily to his wife's Jewish faith. I (He?) finds it a relief from the Christia vision he was raised with. quote: Of course, any disinterested observer can actually observe the outcome of this scenario, and many others just like it, compile the data, and conclude that real doctors tend to have a much higher rate of accuracy of prognosis and treatment compared to herbalist quacks. So, the reason rational people tend to trust doctors is because of the observable results. Seems to me that you got your analogy backwards.
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ikabod Member (Idle past 4520 days) Posts: 365 From: UK Joined: |
Christianity is very upbeat. Talk of Hell and damnation and the wrath of God doesn't apply to a Christian thats back to the good old which bits shall we read today , you can put the case either way depending on which parts of OT and / or NT you pick .... and differing churchs pick differing bits .. this is one of the problems xianity has presenting itself , and its , as if often the case ,those who shout loadest get their view in the publics face ... guess its ture the problem is people ...
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Everyone does think they are right, but most people are unwilling to entertain any notion that they could be wrong. Except for this minority which includes you. How nice for you.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Christianity is very upbeat. I'd prefer that it wasn't. ABE: be more realistic that way. Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
any disinterested observer There ain't no such thing. Saved (peace with God)/unsaved (enemies of God). An enemy of God is not a disinterested observer. Not by a long shot.
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I'd prefer that it (Christianity) wasn't.(upbeat) ABE: be more realistic that way. I meant upbeat from the saved perspective. From any number of angles you care to mention: one of which is "Death? What then?". You'd be amazed at how much fear of death play a role in our lives until the point when there is no need to fear it any longer. That was what struck me very much in the early days With regard to the unsaved position, Christianity is not upbeat at all. Its worse as worse can be. Far worse than even nihilism can manage to muster. Worse than ALL vs NOTHING All Gods Love vs All Gods Wrath is about as extreme as extreme can be. Take a look at Creation and imagine being on the 'right' and 'wrong' side of that Might. The mind boggles at such a thought - irrespective of which 'side' you happen to inhabit Mind boggling Edited by iano, : No reason given. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Your in a unique and very unusual position Robin. You can see the blindness inherent in a number of positions time after time. And no matter how much you point it out, otherwise intelligent (and pretty) people keep on walking into the same old trees as if they didn't exist. You can see blindness.
Now when your told you're blind to something, do you accept that maybe the person telling you has a point? Imagine your Schraf to Faiths RobinRohan.
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