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ringo
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Message 271 of 303 (317354)
06-03-2006 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Tennessee R
06-03-2006 3:28 PM


Tennesse R writes:
...it is approximately 515 feet long, or EXACTLY 300 cubits.
Interesting that the measurement is approximate in feet, but exact in cubits.
Of course, since cubits can vary over a fairly wide range, the conversion from feet can not be "EXACT". It seems like you are trying very hard to make the measurement fit the Biblical ark.

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RAZD
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Message 272 of 303 (317355)
06-03-2006 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Belfry
06-03-2006 7:03 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
More to the point, how can you do any kind of credible material analysis of what a fossil was composed of before it fossilized, and parts of the original structure were replaced by minerals.
Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site are made up of alloys that we've only known how to make for a few hundred years. Aluminum. Titanium. Magnesium.
And of course these were excavated under conrolled conditions so that we would know the age and stratum they were found in ... oh wait, it's Wyatt, the guy who ties big rocks on ropes to hang from cantelevered beams extending off one end of a boat to make it float better (see Message 58)
The word BOGUS comes to mind.
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Damouse
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Message 273 of 303 (317357)
06-03-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Tennessee R
06-03-2006 3:37 PM


Re:
Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site are made up of alloys that we've only known how to make for a few hundred years. Aluminum. Titanium. Magnesium.
you DO know that magnesium, titanium, and alluminum aren't alloys, right?
If theres proof that Noah made titanium rivets for his ship, ill convert. Heck ill go down to the local church and eat the cross bit by bit.

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sidelined
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Message 274 of 303 (317360)
06-03-2006 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Damouse
06-03-2006 9:02 PM


Re:
Damouse
If theres proof that Noah made titanium rivets for his ship, ill convert. Heck ill go down to the local church and eat the cross bit by bit.
I will bring the condiments and join you on the meal since Titanium was not discovered until 1791,Magnesium in 1808 and Aluminium in 1827.
Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.

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lfen
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Message 275 of 303 (317361)
06-03-2006 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Damouse
06-03-2006 9:02 PM


Re: elements and alloys
you DO know that magnesium, titanium, and alluminum aren't alloys, right?
The thing is he doesn't know that.
You could argue that he should and I would tend to agree but one thing that the months I have spent on this forum has shown me is that science education is not making much impact on people. I don't know why. I don't know if it's a failure of our educational system or not.
I mean we can take bright kids and if they choose to study science in college they can get a very good education. But short of that most people barely understand science. The fantasy worlds of theology that the churches offer seems to be much more appealing than learning about the universe we live in.
Rationality is not fundamental to humanity. It's a very slowly emergent function. Hence the ease with which con artists like Ron Wyatt exploit people even when the churches themselves are saying his work is worthless, people still prefer threatre to knowledge.
It can get frustrating.
lfen

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Coragyps
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Message 276 of 303 (317373)
06-03-2006 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by Tennessee R
06-03-2006 3:37 PM


Re:
Giant fossilized rivets found at the Ron Wyatt Noah's Ark site are made up of alloys that we've only known how to make for a few hundred years. Aluminum. Titanium. Magnesium.
How long do you think magnesium would last in seawater? It's used as a sacrificial anode on boats sometimes....do you know what that means? It gets eaten by corrosion to save other parts.
Not real good for rivets.

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Tennessee R
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Message 277 of 303 (317385)
06-03-2006 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by CK
06-03-2006 4:45 PM


Re: Ron Wyatt = total headcase.
"and where are those test results?"
I will see if I can get them tomorrow.
"it appears that you are associated with WAR - is this the case?"
Yes. Even though I can't be the definitive source of information, I will at least try to answer everyones questions when I have the time.

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Tennessee R
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Message 278 of 303 (317390)
06-03-2006 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Belfry
06-03-2006 7:03 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"Please explain how rivets can be fossilized."
Sorry, I suppose I didn't word that in the right way,
the rivets are surrounded by fossilized or petrified material, as seen here: http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-10.htm

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Tennessee R
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Message 279 of 303 (317392)
06-03-2006 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Damouse
06-03-2006 7:05 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"rofl.
Speaking of which, what would happen to the rivets after so long?"
I suppose they'd look like this: http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-10.htm ???
But I'm open to suggestions.

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Tennessee R
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Message 280 of 303 (317396)
06-03-2006 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by ringo
06-03-2006 8:41 PM


"Interesting that the measurement is approximate in feet, but exact in cubits. "
Well, I guess they hadn't invented the feet yet, so it's impossible to figure it would be exactly an even number in feet.
"Of course, since cubits can vary over a fairly wide range, the conversion from feet can not be "EXACT". It seems like you are trying very hard to make the measurement fit the Biblical ark."
20.62___? inches is the length of this cubit. It was the cubit and a handbreath that Ezekiel talks about. 20.6 inches, as you can measure ancient gates in.
It seems that laser measurement is trying very hard to make it exactly the lenghth of Noah's Ark!

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Tennessee R
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Message 281 of 303 (317397)
06-03-2006 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by RAZD
06-03-2006 8:45 PM


Re: Metal Fossils
"And of course these were excavated under conrolled conditions so that we would know the age and stratum they were found in ... oh wait, it's Wyatt, the guy who ties big rocks on ropes to hang from cantelevered beams extending off one end of a boat to make it float better"
Actually, had you known the story, you would have known that certain parts of the boat shaped object was uncovered. This was found extremely close to the surface according to Ron. Stratum doesn't really help when you find a man-made rivet close to the surface on a boat-shaped object.
On the side, I've been looking at your R.A.Z.D. signature and could you tell me what it means?

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Tennessee R
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Message 282 of 303 (317399)
06-03-2006 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by Damouse
06-03-2006 9:02 PM


Re:
"you DO know that magnesium, titanium, and alluminum aren't alloys, right?"
I was naming the 'unusual' metals found. Tomorrow, as I have said, I will try to get the reports, and we can see what was found

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Tennessee R
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Message 283 of 303 (317400)
06-03-2006 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by sidelined
06-03-2006 9:17 PM


Re:
Damouse Said: "If theres proof that Noah made titanium rivets for his ship, ill convert. Heck ill go down to the local church and eat the cross bit by bit."
sidelined said: "I will bring the condiments and join you on the meal since Titanium was not discovered until 1791,Magnesium in 1808 and Aluminium in 1827."
I don't understand? Do you believe that Noah's Ark even existed? Are you Christians? Seems like a little disrespect (Maybe a lot) on the "eat'n the cross at the church" bit.
Of course, crosses aren't a christian symbol, so I guess it doesn't bother me much. Even so, just seems like that kind of talk would only come from unbelievers.
And if you don't believe in the Bible, then what are you doing posting about Noah's Ark?

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Tennessee R
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Message 284 of 303 (317402)
06-03-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Coragyps
06-03-2006 9:51 PM


Re:
"How long do you think magnesium would last in seawater? It's used as a sacrificial anode on boats sometimes....do you know what that means? It gets eaten by corrosion to save other parts.
Not real good for rivets."
I hope I'm wrong, then, because that's a great point!
Thanks for that information.
I'll let you know hopefully tomorrow.

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jar
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Message 285 of 303 (317406)
06-03-2006 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by Tennessee R
06-03-2006 10:53 PM


Re:
I don't understand? Do you believe that Noah's Ark even existed? Are you Christians? Seems like a little disrespect (Maybe a lot) on the "eat'n the cross at the church" bit.
Of course, crosses aren't a christian symbol, so I guess it doesn't bother me much. Even so, just seems like that kind of talk would only come from unbelievers.
And if you don't believe in the Bible, then what are you doing posting about Noah's Ark?
It has nothing to do with whether one is a Christian or not. Many Christians realize that the flood never happened, that the Exodus never happened as described in the Bible, that the fairytales in Joshua are just that, fireside tales and myths.
As Christians we've examined the nonsense that Ron pushed and realized that at best all he was was deluded, and more likely just a snakeoil salesman.
So the Christian answer to your question is Yes, Noah's ark never existed and there is no evidence that Ron Wyatt has ever found anything.

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