Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

So much so that he made them all up.

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

I viewed and listened to the CNN clip. I learned little from the segments on the school and watching the activity. I believe even the public schools are essentially Islamic being most of the people practice the religion as I understand it. I don't know how it was then, but intolerance to Christianity is a current problem with churches and homes being destroyed according to the Voice Of The Martyrs, especially on the mainland.I'll try to keep an open mind but so long as there's any doubt the presidency, above all, is the wrong thing to speculate on.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What would be the problem with a Muslim President?Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

Let's see. Someone actually went to the school and noted that it's not a madrassa and not connected to the Wahabbi movement in anyway and not significantly different from any other sectarian (of any faith) or secular school in that country.Meanwhile, the story that Obama was or is a Muslim can only be traced back to unsubstantiated email and blog campaign with no known provenance.So the sensible thing to do is...suspect that Obama might impose Sharia law in the U.S.?You know, Buz, I used to think you were a narrow minded, unreasoning bigot. But now it's clear that actually you are a bona fide lunatic, and this is a lot of fun!

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If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

Let's read what Obama himself in his book says relative to his education. (see book quote below this message) This gets even more interesting, given according to this quote of him from his book he progressed from a Catholic school into a Muslim school, so according to Obama himself, CNN appears to not be telling the whole story. (so what's new?)1. School predominantly Muslim.
2. While in the Muslim school Islamic prayers were offered, implicating profession of Islamic faith.
3. Playing the devil's advocate pertaining to the book quote, let's consider the possibility (I say the possibility) that while in Muslim school he was chosen by some authoritative Muslim sources to be groomed for American politics. Don't you think that if this were (I say if this were) the case, in his book he would play down the Islamic implications regarding praying, Koran doctrinal studies, etc which would be involved in Islamic school?
(ABE: 4. He was at an impressionable age, old enough in Islamc school to be into the multiplication tables.)------------------------------ No, of course not. My mother didn't raise a fool, regardless of what you think and say. In fact I stated early in the thread that if he was a plant and if he were elected he would continue to maintain the discuise so as to undermine the war on terror and to undermine the US role in supporting Israel. In other words, he would continue to be a closet Muslim until such a time when it became safe and politically comfortable to come out of the closet, if such a time ever came. That's ok. Go ahead and think what you think and type what you like to type. If I'm wrong, perhaps we'll all be no worse off whether he is elected or not. If I'm right and Islamic conspiracy prevails, end time Biblifcal prophecies pertaining to the gathering of the Mideastern & Northern nations up to Jerusalem for invasion due to the deterioriation of Western powers may come all the sooner. Access forbidden!Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What would be the problem with a Muslim President?Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

Nator asked that exact same question and I answered it here.If you have a question about specifics of my answer in message 211 that has not already been addressed you may do so.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

the same problem with a christian president. he might seek to infringe on my rights with his religion. but. no moreso a muslim than a christian, what with christians having a command to take the gospel to the four corners.

so, i guess you're out campainging for him, then. all the sooner to go to war and kill all those dirty muslims.

i'd suggest that maybe when he said he went to a school with a "muslim majority", that's really all it was, and not some warrior training program. perhaps, it is as he claims, and he never was a muslim. muslims are commanded to live in harmony with their book brothers. as a catholic, he would have qualified.

Your answer did not address the questions.What would be wrong with a Muslim President?
Even if the goal of Islam is to become the one world religion, how is that a problem?Other than your typical tactic of quotemining and taking things out of context, what is the problem?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

You've obviously not compared the Christian NT with the Muslim Koran in this regard. Narry a peep about violence to adversaries of Christianity or of compelled conversion and submission by force in the Christian NT. On the contrary, I've documented where the Koran is rife with coersion to and advocation of violence, including killing for the purpose of forcing the religion upon the citizens of the entire world.Christian who take the gospel to the four corners very often suffer and die themselves in that effort, but are forbidden by the NT to do violence in order to accomplish their mission.As to the religion of Vatican City, via the popes and bishops during the bloody inquisitions of the Dark Ages, they had no justification from the NT to do the violence. Thus their actions were not Christian. Likely this is why for nearly two centuries no Roman Catholic President sat in the White House.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The problem is simple as I clearly stated in my message already. Your reading and comprehension skill appears to need sharpening up. A devout Muslim who lived by the Koran would tend to be beholden to undermine the nation of Israel and undermine the war on terror as advocated in the Koran.How many times must I repeat this? You appear to be more interested in asking questions than receiving answers as is so often the case with you, and you wonder why you don't get responses.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Sorry but ...bullshit Buz. There is no other term for it except Bullshit.Does Egypt have treaties with Israel?Does Jordan have treaties with Israel?Where does the Koran say to support terror?Why should we support Israel?

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

I hope someone can dig up the thread Chiro referred to. We've been through this before and my reading comprehension skills aren't all that bad.While you are correct that there are passages which discuss warfare, and they can be interpreted to mean something similar to what you suggest... indeed clearly some militant Islamic fundies declare that... that's not the only valid interpretation of those passages. What's more it is to disregard the contradictory passages, which are even more explicit than the ones on warfare.Now it would seem consistent (valid) for you to point out that radical muslims hold the general interpretation you are giving, and so we ought to worry about what they are up to. But to claim that "real" muslims must hold to that interpretation is errant.And we can bring into this what you discussed above about the NT. While we might agree (for sake of argument) that there is absolutely no discussion of violence in the NT, or advocacy of such, the Bible is not just the NT. It includes the OT which is a veritable bloodbath, with near constant advocacy of violence towards others.Many Xians and Jews seeking power refer to the OT to get their justification, which if anything is the exact same thing as muslims looking to sections of the Koran. It would be unfair of me to paint all Xians, or all true Xians as having to hold the OT over the NT, just as it is unfair for you to say all true muslims must choose one section over another... or one interpretation over another.To your quote above, many muslims detest terrorism, and find it against religious principles. There is a difference between warring and terrorism. Ironically we and Israel are facing tactics that we either taught to Islamic radicals (when we needed them), or used against innocent muslims.As far as Israel is concerned, being against that state needs no religious support. As far as I am concerned anyone who cares about individual rights and modern concepts of international law and stability would oppose Israel. There is NO justification for its creation. There may be a justification for its existence, now that the initial error has been made, but that does not equate to accepting all of its activities. It is a rogue state.

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