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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Faith,
What a bunch of BS you evos are pulling today, on this thread and on that pathetic excuse for a conversation about the flood I'm sorry I gave a second thought to. It's not a conversation about the flood, it's a place where you are supposed to show the "staggering" evidence in support of it, rather than ad hoc excuses. You haven't even bothered to address the OP that torpedos what you thought was evidence. And you accuse evo's of pulling BS!? Please don't judge us by your logicless standards. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have no interest in proving anything. That's why I'm sorry I bothered to answer your ridiculous challenge. I gave my thoughts and that's all I care to do. Your idiotic idea that cladistics is anything other than a self-validating begging of the question tells me all I need to know about "science."
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5047 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
Sentence structure seems logical to me.
Curious: Does it seem equally logical to you in languages foreign to you?
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2303 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Faith, you "have no interest in proving" your side, you seem to have no interest in listening to the other side. May I ask why you are here at EvC at all?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If I want to prove whether an even number is always backed by a primary color I'm going to have to check the even number, the primary color and the nonprimary color. Classic confirmation bias. If you turn over the primary coloured card no matter what was on the other side it wouldn't help you. It could be an odd number, but that wouldn't falsify the position. Therefore turning it over will either support the proposition OR it will support it. Turning it over will reveal no new information. The test shows how people 'instinctively' look for tests that seem to confirm the proposition, not ones that necessarily test the truth of the proposition. I think the point of it coming up here was to show that logic is not entirely a natural gift of humans.
The DICTIONARY defines logic as thinking, for heaven's sake, defines it as REASONING. What's with you guys with your insistence on your specialized definition? Obviously you just aren't interested in discussion. This came up originally because you said
Of COURSE we all think logically If you were saying that "Of COURSE we all think thinkingly", or "Of COURSE we all think employing reason" you can understand why people might get confused. Especially since the discussion between robinrohan and Schraf was about formal logic (ie the specialized definition). See Message 28 for confirmation that this was the subject of their discussion. I don't see this as unwillingness to discuss anything, but a confusion brought about when you joined the discussion in Message 86, using a different definition for logic than had been agreed on, without letting anybody know. Less than charitable people would be inclined to call this equivocation, but I'm fairly sure it was a simple accident.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Faith, you "have no interest in proving" your side, you seem to have no interest in listening to the other side. May I ask why you are here at EvC at all? Faith is here to improve her vocabulary.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The DICTIONARY defines logic as thinking, for heaven's sake, defines it as REASONING.
Which dictionary? Here is the online definition from Logic - definition of logic by The Free Dictionary. It's a bit more complex than just "thinking" or "reasoning". The word "logic" is actually used in a variety of ways. Sometimes it is applied to common sense reasoning, and sometimes it is considered distinct from common sense reasoning. In technical use, it is a rule based deductive system, such as used by mathematicians and mathematical logicians. Some people believe that thinking is just logic. In my opinion they are badly mistaken.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Faith,
I gave my thoughts and that's all I care to do. That's all you ever do, but when you claim to have evidence, you will be called on it. Do us all a favour, Faith, if you can't play big-boy's science supporting your position with evidence: Shut up & say nothing at all.
Your idiotic idea that cladistics is anything other than a self-validating begging of the question tells me all I need to know about "science." It isn't begging the question because you don't have to assume the conclusion in order to accept the premises. Who's the idiot, Faith? Me, who knows what it is, or you, who are so ignorant of logic you are still misciting circular arguments? Aren't you embarrassed? Your god-glasses doesn't allow you to grasp the rather obvious truth that all science that makes correct predictions should not be dismissed as irrelevent. Don't you realise the utter hypocrisy & self-defeating absurdity of making a test of anything & then dismissing it as self-validating? Are Faraday's, Newtons, Boyles etc. areas of science to be dismissed because they are self validating? That is, the predicted data actually does exist? That's why you don't use a television, Faith, because all the science behind it is self validating. That's why you never take medicine, because all the science behind it is self-validating. That's why you never ride in a car, let alone a train or an aircraft. Those silly scientists are using self-validated theories, & you aren't fooled, are you? No people made correct hypotheses that when tested were validated, only to be dissmissed as self-validating by you! Even your beloved flood evidence, if you had any, would be self-validating, if you had any, that is. What a stupid, stupid thing to say. What you need, Faith, is a sense of shame. "Cladistics & stratigraphy" works just like any other science, a prediction is made that is then validated by the data. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
If we define "logic" as "thought", are we to conclude that my friend's logic software is thinking?
People sometime argue that computers do not actually do logic. Rather, people do logic, and use computer as a tool. Similarly it is sometimes argued that computers do not actually compute. It all depends on how you are using the words, what you are trying to convey. IMO the word "logic" is much overused.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
censored
This message has been edited by Faith, 03-05-2006 12:20 PM
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
Always treat other members with respect.
You might be able to get away with saying this isn't ad hominem, but I don't see it is a post that is treating Faith with respect. I think it would be simple to make the same point without using language that has the potential to be upsetting. Also, you should avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No you may not ask.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Modulus,
She called my position idiotic, where were the mods then? Mark This message has been edited by mark24, 03-05-2006 12:31 PM
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
Take it there
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Some people believe that thinking is just logic. In my opinion they are badly mistaken I have 20 years of empirical evidence--my poor community college students--to support my contention that logical thinking is a natural faculty. And what I am getting here? Some tricky test that's supposed to show something. Academic ivy-tower nonsense.
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