Immigration Bill is Un-American

Interesting. You prefer the status quo? Or do you have a solution for the problem?

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Yes and Yes.Status quo is better than the proposed bill that would legalize so many people that would qualify for so much benefit it would bleed the middle class and split the culture of this country.Solution:
1. As in medicine, you stop the hemorrhage first. Since the government has no will to really do this, the only real evidence of stoppage would be a fence. So, build a barrier.
2. National ID card (fingerprint included) for everyone, to help businesses identify illegals.
3. Enforce the current laws, especially businesses and expired visas
4. If illegal shows up at hospital, treat them and deport them and their family. Set-up a charity to help the folks get back on their feet in their home country.
5. English as national language
6. Undo the anchor baby law
7. Find ways to embrace the legal immigrants, not reward illegalsI am sure there is more, but it's dinner time (fajitas and guacamole!).

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While I have some sympathy as to some of the issues you brought up, I am puzzled by your exact stance to some degree on some other areas. Please feel free to elaborate. I don't see how the present immigration situation has bankrupted the middle class, if anything coddling the rich with tax breaks, the complete surrender to the goal of the pharmaceutical company profits and mismanaging unnecessary wars is a far greater threat IMO.I am also puzzled by the idea that the country would be split between two cultures. I have lived all but the three years that I was in the army near the US-Mexican border and we have a culture, commonly referred to as border culture. How would that culture be split and how are things that different in Houston? Barriers can be punctured, so I'm not sure a Berlin Wall or Iron Curtain is a complete and perfect solution. Too bad some of that Iraq money can't be spent on the economic development of a neighboring nation, I think it would pay more dividends in the long run. Not that I have any great objection but you may run into some conservative opposition on that one, 'mark of the beast' and all. An often overlooked solution that is usually more responsible than just passing more new laws. Not unreasonable on the surface, except that illegals would then not seek treatment for serious communicable diseases for fear of being deported. Why bother, if left alone English will eventually become the world language since given enough time, it absorbs all it contacts. Besides, is it that big a deal if someone speaks more than one language, seems to me it would make them more educated and less provincial. I don't know. If citizenship is not automatically granted to those born here could that later be used against other parts of the populace to make them stateless and therefore subject to denial of basic human rights or torture under current administration practices? I must agree that legal immigrants should be given preference under all circumstances.Obviously if there were no jobs, there would be no illegals. Either that or the fruit rots in the fields driving up prices since there is not enough labor available to do the job at current cost to the farmer. Would you object to a guest worker program? At least there would be more oversight than the current situation.

Won't work, will only alienate Mexicans already here and make those that come less likely to abide by the laws Will never fly. Invasion of privacy yada yada Will never get done. Too much manpower and already stretched thin. Too much willingness to look the other way This will keep them away until desperate for treatment, life-threatening. More expensive Go ahead. Why wait for hospital care? Of course it won't keep people out either - the opportunities will still be seen as better here. Won't accomplish anything. Look at Quebec. A law that has worked just fine for most children born in the US. This law is also reciprocal with many countries (Canada etc) so changing it could have far reaching political ramifications. Like let them use their language and celebrate their holidays?Walls and laws have never worked, will never work. All they reveal is segregation minds in those that advocate them, divisive and antagonistic behavior.Meanwhile we have some existing natural born Americans that are worse citizens than most illegal immigrants: what should we do with them? Shoot em?Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : No reason given.

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That's not what I said. If the bill had PASSED, then the benefits reaped by the windfall of legalized folks and their family members would cost an arm and a leg. OK, maybe 3 cultures. :-) Let's make the barrier a tourist attraction like the Great Wall. Amen. Some don't learn English, because they don't have to. The problem is one of efficiency. It's often represented as "press 1 for English...", but the point is that publishing everything in multiple languages is wasteful (more trees cut), it encourages less information on labels, it's distracting with excessive text, etc.
Of course it's good to speak more than one language (except for politician's double-talk is not my definition of two languages). I would not object, if we had the enforcement for the abusers of the privilege.

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(RE: Fence) If fences don't work, then why have them around prisons and the White House? Quite a few are already not abiding by the law. In fact, quite a few forge documents to get here. Mexico is known for corruption. You don't think maybe that is learned and brought here by a significant number? We have stores that close down in harboring neighborhoods because of theft. Don't tell me the illegals are pristine candidates for citizenship.

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Don't tell me all native born are pristine candidates for citizenship.Crime is actually one of the weakest excuses possible. The last thing an illegal alien wants is a run in with the law. That is a quick way to bring them to the attention of Immigration. Fences around small enclosures can help. The US, in case you haven't noticed, is not that small.

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Actually, it COULD work. Instead of a fence, we build a 15 foot wall from coast to coast on the mexican-american border. It will be the great wall of north america. Beside that, we'll need 24 hr surveillence that are equipped with low air radar and underground motion censors. All, and I mean all, people who want to go through this border should be strip searched on the spot. Anyone caught trying to climb the wall should be shot on sight. There also need to e land mines put in strategic places. Chemical weapons should always be ready to be used in case of mass immigration.This will literally cost billions and billions of dollars just to maintain. If the american people really want to see such a barrier put in place, I think this is the best idea.But a regular fence? Puhlease. A 5 year old can climb a fence.

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(RE: Fence) If fences don't work, then why have them around prisons and the White House? Quite a few are already not abiding by the law. In fact, quite a few forge documents to get here. Mexico is known for corruption. You don't think maybe that is learned and brought here by a significant number? We have stores that close down in harboring neighborhoods because of theft. Don't tell me the illegals are pristine candidates for citizenship.You use Quebec as an illustration against national language, but the situation in Quebec is exactly what most Americans want to prevent happening here (i.e. allowing an invasion of folks of different language and culture).

False. Many criminals come here to practice their lazy way of obtaining easy money and are aided by lack of enforcement and catch-and-release type of practices.

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C'mon pay attention. "fence" is the word for "barrier", as I used earlier. I am not going to put a spec for t e barrier everytime I use the common term "fence".

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Actually, I was thinking of something like the Panama Canal.
That would promote commerce, and with some water purification systems along the way, it would promote farming on both sides of the border.-----------------------
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Didn't work did it? You have similar going on in France with adaption of english words and phrases. Outlawing it does no good. Every fence made has been breached. Lots of those forged documents are also made in the US by US citizens. You also have similar problems with other groups of illegals, yet you single out mexicans: your prejudices are showing. We have stores that close down in NON "harboring" neighborhoods for the same reason. Apparently you don't see the problem as being the same when it is caused by US citizens: your prejudices are showing again.People are people, all people are created equal with certain inalienable rights ... and nature abhors a disequilibrium.Enjoy.

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You do remember that the language and culture of the invaders was English in that they came well after the French (who were a little late in arriving themselves).My ancestors were in no position to control the existing French population and made a number of legal agreements with them which include protection of French. As ridiculously costly as it is to maintain both languages we are very lucky to have this as a fundamental part of our country.ABE
I might note that for a big part of your country the English speakers are also invaders over the existing Spanish speakers (though both were also late comers).Edited by NosyNed, : added a thoughtEdited by NosyNed, : No reason given.

You're joking, right?

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