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Author | Topic: Hydroplates unchallenged young earth explains Tectonics shortcomings! | |||||||||||||||||||||||
TrueCreation Inactive Member |
quote:--Right.. Ok try this, I will be utterly impressed if you (or even Walt Brown) can explain the following observations; The thickness of oceanic lithosphere systematically increases (predictably) as a function of distance (hence age) from the paleoridge. The bathymetry of the ocean floors also show the same systematic correlation with distance from the paleoridge. Ocean ridges are shallow and depth to basement increases as a function of age. Furthermore, and probably the most damning, heat flow systematically decreases as a function of seafloor age; again predictably and while there is some systematic misfit for young ages (due to hydrothermal circulation!) the same models which predict systematic variation in bathymetry also agree with the heatflow data. Moreover, geoid data also exhibits the same function of age correlation. Also, the "hydroplate theory" can't even begin to explain the morphology of ocean ridges as functions of spreading rate. The observation of different ridge morphologies is compatible with that predicted from observed rates of seafloor spreading for slow, intermediate, and fast (and superfast) spreading ridges. Increase in thickness of pelagic sedimentary cover as functions of seafloor age. Lastly for this list, marine magnetic anomalies are unequivocal evidence not only for geomagnetic reversals, but for seafloor spreading. Their existance, and especially the fact that they are well correlated with paleomagnetic data on land are pretty ironclad evidence for seafloor spreading as the process by which the oceanic crust and lithosphere has been formed. --[edit] - I didn't give any references, albeit I will if anyone wants one. I can give a very good reference for virtually any point or assertion I have made in this post. Cheers,-Chris Grose [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 02-09-2004] [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 02-09-2004]
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simple  Inactive Member |
All the while, in the Rockies (God's little Eden) we have the waxing and waning of water changing depths slightly causing multiple layers of photo-temperature-environment sensitive reefs to grow. Oh, what a tangled web.... You seem to be suggesting that Walt's theory, would not correspond with my ideas. Can you explain what the photo t s sensitive means (I don't think it was tourists pictures you meant). Perhaps I could then change my ideas, or dump part of Walt's. As far as deceiving, I don't think so.If I understand though so far, it sounds like you have a hypothesis of how the 'reefs' were formed, and it involves long time periods, and you don't like this because the tangled web of long age deception you are so familiar with to explain away God's part seems exposed here as possibly untrue. All that remains then is to pinpoint exactly how Walt or I's concept of the flood events are off. thanks
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
If I understand though so far, it sounds like you have a hypothesis of how the 'reefs' were formed, and it involves long time periods,
I'll bet that is what JM has in mind, too. Why don't you go to Guadelupe Mountains National Park, out west of Carlsbad Caverns, on your next vacation. Look at El Capitan for a while, and hike around on it. Take Walt with you, if you wish. Then propose a way to get a 1600-foot thick reef of shallow-water organisms that require clean water to grow in a year. Or a thousand years. And come back here and tell us about it. And don't forget the Delaware Basin, just south of there. It has 7000+ feet of millimeter-thick layers, alternately windblown sand and organic-rich shale. Give us a catastrophic theory for that, too. [This message has been edited by Coragyps, 02-09-2004]
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simple  Inactive Member |
No evidence of massive steam explosions at mid-oceanic ridges. If Walt was right, maybe they were looking for steam and heat more than less superheated water than you suppose?
No evidence of the edges of tectonic plates having been blown hundreds of miles upward If H P was right maybe they had some different assumtions as to what the effects were. Don't you wish someone would take that boy on?(You're not qualified are you?)
No evidence of pillars supporting the edges of the plates. Perhaps it would be hard to find that evidence?
No evidence near mid-oceanic ridges of rock strain associated with bending the plate edge up into space. So now you think H P has space plates?
No evidence that almost all life on earth died about 6000 years ago. less than 4000! Big topic, a quikie on that if present birth rates & death rates accounted for, creation books have it as perfect for today's population!!!(wheras the millions of your imagined years would have people piled high into space on top of each other!(Do your own homework here folks, it's no secret)
No evidence of a layer of water underlying the tectonic plates God said fountains of deep were opened, so theres some historical record.(How about the widespread flood legends all over earth!)
No evidence of runaway continental drift or runaway subduction. You guys for p t claim the drift. And the 'subduction' stuff to at least mr Brown thinks is mere unreal speculation.
No evidence that mammoths are frozen in water that had a subterranean origin But lots to point they were frozen, and quickly! Perhaps evo folks imagining them to be artic adapted, chewing snow 14 hours a day in 40 below weather, in the dark is better for you!!!
No evidence that the asteroid belt has a terrestrial origin u know who thinks there is. I don't know, I'd be interested to see someone in a debate get a K O!
No evidence that representatives of all the animal species of the world migrated either to or from a point in the Middle East Well, that one is fair enough. Maybe they did not! On this score you have some leeway. I wonder if Walt is right, how many did actually migrate. I find it interesting though, that at least some or many could have, with h p.
No evidence of Atlantis Can't blame Walty on that one. Here I go into the supernatural! Dreams and visions of Christians I've known (not open for debate on this one) Also I think folks like Cayce, and ancient Josepheus (Spelled I don't know how) etc. But I'm glad the point came up, because it seems to me that a good many (all?) of you monkey tales people do not believe in the spititual, and supernatural, etc.?! No?
No evidence of recent dramatic ocean-level changes I can't say much on that, good point. I suspect the h p man would easily engage you there.
it is contradicted by all the evidence we *do* have. take away the date dreams and I think theres not much left on your side, whereas the young earth has tons. (How much time seasalt would take by slow processes, etc. Gases in atmosphere to form etc. It's all arrayed against your theories-so don't make yourself look bad saying there is no evidence.)
Even without radiometric data, the deep sea sediments give a very good indication of the age of the ocean floor Not without welding assumptions that are intrue and unprovable to the data.I see the burrowers down under people have seemed to fall strangely quiet.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Then propose a way to get a 1600-foot thick reef of shallow-water organisms that require clean water to grow in a year If your assumptions of how the 'reef' or limestone were formed were correct that may present a slight problem! As it is, I find it close to retarded to actually believe much of that old age dreaming.
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simple  Inactive Member |
No evidence of massive steam explosions at mid-oceanic ridges. If Walt was right, maybe they were looking for steam and heat more than less superheated water than you suppose?
No evidence of the edges of tectonic plates having been blown hundreds of miles upward If H P was right maybe they had some different assumtions as to what the effects were. Don't you wish someone would take that boy on?(You're not qualified are you?)
No evidence of pillars supporting the edges of the plates. Perhaps it would be hard to find that evidence?
No evidence near mid-oceanic ridges of rock strain associated with bending the plate edge up into space. So now you think H P has space plates?
No evidence that almost all life on earth died about 6000 years ago. less than 4000! Big topic, a quikie on that if present birth rates & death rates accounted for, creation books have it as perfect for today's population!!!(wheras the millions of your imagined years would have people piled high into space on top of each other!(Do your own homework here folks, it's no secret)
No evidence of a layer of water underlying the tectonic plates God said fountains of deep were opened, so theres some historical record.(How about the widespread flood legends all over earth!)
No evidence of runaway continental drift or runaway subduction. You guys for p t claim the drift. And the 'subduction' stuff to at least mr Brown thinks is mere unreal speculation.
No evidence that mammoths are frozen in water that had a subterranean origin But lots to point they were frozen, and quickly! Perhaps evo folks imagining them to be artic adapted, chewing snow 14 hours a day in 40 below weather, in the dark is better for you!!!
No evidence that the asteroid belt has a terrestrial origin u know who thinks there is. I don't know, I'd be interested to see someone in a debate get a K O!
No evidence that representatives of all the animal species of the world migrated either to or from a point in the Middle East Well, that one is fair enough. Maybe they did not! On this score you have some leeway. I wonder if Walt is right, how many did actually migrate. I find it interesting though, that at least some or many could have, with h p.
No evidence of Atlantis Can't blame Walty on that one. Here I go into the supernatural! Dreams and visions of Christians I've known (not open for debate on this one) Also I think folks like Cayce, and ancient Josepheus (Spelled I don't know how) etc. But I'm glad the point came up, because it seems to me that a good many (all?) of you monkey tales people do not believe in the spititual, and supernatural, etc.?! No?
No evidence of recent dramatic ocean-level changes I can't say much on that, good point. I suspect the h p man would easily engage you there.
it is contradicted by all the evidence we *do* have. take away the date dreams and I think theres not much left on your side, whereas the young earth has tons. (How much time seasalt would take by slow processes, etc. Gases in atmosphere to form etc. It's all arrayed against your theories-so don't make yourself look bad saying there is no evidence.)
Even without radiometric data, the deep sea sediments give a very good indication of the age of the ocean floor Not without welding assumptions that are intrue and unprovable to the data.I see the burrowers down under people have seemed to fall strangely quiet. Their existance, and especially the fact that they are well correlated with paleomagnetic data on land are pretty ironclad evidence for seafloor spreading as the process by which the oceanic crust and lithosphere has been formed Paleohalucinitis I'd say, but you shold get some credit for adeptness in the 'books of the box'!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
less than 4000! Big topic, a quikie on that if present birth rates & death rates accounted for, creation books have it as perfect for today's population!!!
Yeah, you got us there. Using the current rate of cockroach population growth, you're exactly right. The Flud was in, let's see, carry the 2,..... yep. April 2002. Probably April 22, 2002. You win, simple. It was recent, all right.
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wj Inactive Member |
simple writes: take away the date dreams and I think theres not much left on your side, whereas the young earth has tons. (How much time seasalt would take by slow processes, etc. Gases in atmosphere to form etc. It's all arrayed against your theories-so don't make yourself look bad saying there is no evidence.) It seems that simple has been duped by the supposed evidences for a young earth from people such as Humphreys. This article gives a brief debunking of each of the supposed pieces of evidence. Since they aren't relevent to this thread, if simple wants to take up any of the issues, he can start a new thread on one or all of them.
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
quote:--lol. This from the same individual who wrote post #171? Simple, can you say simple-minded? Cheers,-Chris Grose {Wondering if this has caused you any flashbacks, to when you started here? - Adminnemooseus} ^Adminnemooseus - Well looking back I remember often making strong assertions as simple is doing now, albeit I also remember attempting to back up those assertions, whether I adequately understood what I was talking about or not. I also remember having to admit my ignorance amply. Even still I find myself convicted of not really knowing what I am talking about. But I am learning. [This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 02-10-2004]
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simple  Inactive Member |
It seems that simple has been duped by the supposed evidences for a young I think it's safe to say one of us has been duped. Funny how you pop in with statements about what I say addressed to someone else. Guess I should stop by your house next time I need a bathroom. No manners. And nothing positive to offer!
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Funny how you pop in with statements about what I say addressed to someone else This is an open forum. Your posts are open to response by any interested parties.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Did you read the material in the link? Do you need it spelled out for you in short words?
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simple  Inactive Member |
Using the current rate of cockroach population growth I was talking real life birth rates.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
Are cockroaches not real life?
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I was talking real life birth rates.
Errrmmm.... no, you weren't. You were reciting, probably without any inspection of its basis, creationist assertions based on post-industrial revolution, post-modern medicine human birth rates. These are much higher than pre-industrial, which in turn are much higher than pre-agricultural rates.This topic has been on this forum before - someone even calculated the entire world population at the supposed time of Moses using these same rates that "proove" a young Earth. And guess what: there weren't enough folks on earth then to even play the roles of the Egyptians.
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