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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 16 of 101 (429578)
10-20-2007 9:58 PM
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10-20-2007 9:41 PM


Re: Mp3 player?
no. winamp. it has an auto-generate feature.

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crashfrog
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Message 17 of 101 (429588)
10-20-2007 10:27 PM
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10-20-2007 3:07 PM


Re: Re;Old School
What are you guys, a thousand years old?
How did they even make music before computers? Delerium and Juno Reactor are on heavy rotation on my iPod. (I love the vocals of Kristy Thirsk.)

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Message 18 of 101 (429600)
10-20-2007 11:21 PM
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10-20-2007 10:27 PM


Re: Re;Old School
How did they even make music before computers?
The same way that real musicians make music today, Poindexter, with musical instruments.

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Message 19 of 101 (429602)
10-20-2007 11:26 PM
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10-20-2007 10:27 PM


Re: Re;Old School
ew. computers.

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 101 (429604)
10-20-2007 11:40 PM
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10-20-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Re;Old School
The same way that real musicians make music today, Poindexter, with musical instruments.
Blech. How imprecise and dissonant. The whole history of musical invention has been about the precise reproduction of specific waveforms. Thank goodness for the invention of computers which finally made that possible. (Although I've always found the electromechanical tone wheels of the Hammond organ kind of quaint.)

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Jon
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Message 21 of 101 (429611)
10-21-2007 12:29 AM


Can I suggest Nirvana - Territorial Pissings; then ease your friend into some of the lighter Nirvana, such as 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', which has lower points in between the heavier parts. Drop him, next, some 'Lithium', which has longer low points, and less crucial heavy parts. Next, move to 'In Bloom', which runs at a medium, yet steady pace... not too light, not too heavy. And when you got him to the point he can no longer resist hearing more, hit him up with 'The Man who Sold the World'.
That's the Cobain method; conversely, play him some Johnny Cash and he'll nd himself falling into a never-ending ring of re”he'll be hooked!
How you perform the conversion, is I guess, up to you Also, I'm not sure about where you live, but here we have a campus radio station that plays some pretty weird-ass stuff by local bands (I think). Maybe he would like some of that? It's usually not heavy-metal; in fact, it's rarely even music.
Jon

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ringo
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Message 22 of 101 (429614)
10-21-2007 12:35 AM
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10-20-2007 11:40 PM


Re: Re;Old School
crashfrog writes:
The whole history of musical invention has been about the precise reproduction of specific waveforms.
"Precise reproduction" is certainly not what music or any other art is about. That's why all recorded music is bland compared to live music. Digital recording just lowers the common denominator even further.

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crashfrog
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Message 23 of 101 (429618)
10-21-2007 12:45 AM
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10-21-2007 12:35 AM


Re: Re;Old School
That's why all recorded music is bland compared to live music. Digital recording just lowers the common denominator even further.
I've seen live concerts and I've heard recorded music (obviously.)
You're 100% wrong. The acoustics and audio fidelity will always be better in the digital recording than in the live performance. Live, there's interference from other people, there's the trade-off between creating an acoustic space and creating a performance space. Maybe a jet flies overhead or something. It's impossible to get the same fidelity by being there in one seat out of 2000 or whatever as compared to a digital recording of even the exact same event as taken from the recording position most advantageous for clarity.
If you want the experience of seeing a show, then you should go to the show. If you want to use your ears to hear music, you should be going from digital recordings.
And let's not hear any nonsense about vinyl. Sure, digital sampling of waveforms tends to distort high-frequencies. But the frequencies that would be most distorted by digital sampling are well beyond the range of human hearing.
And the inertia of a record-player's needle has exactly the same effect on high-frequency playback, because the needle skips over high-frequency valleys like a car shooting over the ruts in a washboard road at 70 mph.
Digital recording is superior.

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Jon
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Message 24 of 101 (429619)
10-21-2007 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by crashfrog
10-20-2007 11:40 PM


Re: Re;Old School
The whole history of musical invention has been about the precise reproduction of specific waveforms. Thank goodness for the invention of computers which finally made that possible.
This is why folks like N'sync make millions selling their washed-up rubbish to the brainwashed and mindless drizzle we'd normally call the populace.
Most of the current generation is supercial to a previously unprecedented degree. I guess we should not be surprised, considering that the music they are spoon fed is nothing more than fake, mass-produced, overly marketed crap. So are the clothes they wear, the food they eat, and even the language they speak.
Furthermore, music is about the production of 'wave-forms', not their reproduction.
Jon

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 101 (429620)
10-21-2007 12:49 AM
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10-21-2007 12:45 AM


Re: Re;Old School
This is why folks like N'sync make millions selling their washed-up rubbish to the brainwashed and mindless drizzle we'd normally call the populace.
Remind me again who's being ignorant when they assert that N'Sync (for christ's sake) is the beginning and end of electronic music.
Most of the current generation is supercial to a previously unprecedented degree.
"Kids these days, with their damn devil music and their clothes! Shut off that noise and get off my lawn!"
Furthermore, music is about the production of 'wave-forms', not their reproduction.
Thank goodness for the invention of computers which allow the creation of infinite waveforms, not just what you can get from vibrating strings or columns of air.

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Jon
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Message 26 of 101 (429622)
10-21-2007 12:52 AM
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10-21-2007 12:49 AM


Re: Re;Old School
We've said our points. Let's move on. No need for every thread to be hijacked into the usual 'how will crash squirm his way out of this crushing blow' circus.
We disagree... oh well.
Jon

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crashfrog
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Message 27 of 101 (429624)
10-21-2007 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Jon
10-21-2007 12:52 AM


Re: Re;Old School
Let's move on. No need for every thread to be hijacked into the usual 'how will crash squirm his way out of this crushing blow' circus.
That one made me laugh, I'll give you that.
Seriously, though. Nobody else is into Delerium? My friends and I used to do this thing in college we called "living stereo"; we'd use a portable CD player combined with a set of battery-powered wireless speakers shared amongst us to play techno as we walked around. Since nobody could see the speakers, and since it was in stereo, it was all but impossible for anybody to locate the source of the sound.
We never went into libraries or whatever, it was just fun to mess with people's heads in the cafeteria.

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ringo
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Message 28 of 101 (429627)
10-21-2007 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by crashfrog
10-21-2007 12:45 AM


Re: Re;Old School
crashfrog writes:
The acoustics and audio fidelity will always be better in the digital recording than in the live performance.
Fidelity has nothing to do with the quality of the music.
Live, there's interference from other people, there's the trade-off between creating an acoustic space and creating a performance space.
Exactly. It's the performance that makes it human, as opposed to mechanical. If you hadn't noticed, the thread is about passion for music.

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Jon
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Message 29 of 101 (429628)
10-21-2007 1:02 AM
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10-21-2007 12:57 AM


Re: Re;Old School
Seriously, though. Nobody else is into Delerium? My friends and I used to do this thing in college we called "living stereo"; we'd use a portable CD player combined with a set of battery-powered wireless speakers shared amongst us to play techno as we walked around. Since nobody could see the speakers, and since it was in stereo, it was all but impossible for anybody to locate the source of the sound.
I can honestly say that you are the rst person I've ever 'met' who considered speaker reverb to be an art form. But, to each his own, I guess...

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Message 30 of 101 (429633)
10-21-2007 1:21 AM
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10-21-2007 1:02 AM


Re: Re;Old School
First of all yea I think you are crazy Brenna

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