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Topic: Bush ceding US ports to the enemy?
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Chiroptera
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Message 61 of 91 (291444)
03-02-2006 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Tal
03-02-2006 10:24 AM
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Re: Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
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I am stunned that Mr. Clinton would willingly subvert our nation's security.
I'm not.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 62 of 91 (291445)
03-02-2006 10:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by Silent H
02-26-2006 5:44 AM
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Video
Okay buz it is time to reign in the anti-Islamic rhetoric.
You may be correct that violent factions of Islam do pay more attention to the warlike passages of the Quran, and so use an interpretation you are suggesting. But that same thing occurs in fundamentalists of all religions (most notably the monotheistic ones), and it is not proper to extrapolate that everyone within such faiths believes in those singular interpretations or that that is what their religion is about.
Little Green Footballs Holmes. Take a look at this video of muslims protesting the Cartoons. It will chill you to the bones. My question is do you think this group represents a small violent faction of muslims? If so, why were these protests so vast and violent? My personal belief is that this is not a war against Islam, as some people like to believe, it is a war within Islam. Keep in mind that this is over a cartoon. "I find it funny that these death threats are treated as free speech while cartoons are considered on par with genocide." This message has been edited by Tal, 03-02-2006 10:34 AM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 63 of 91 (291457)
03-02-2006 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Tal
03-02-2006 10:29 AM
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Re: Video
First on the Clinton thing... I would disagree with him on this if he supported the deal. As it stands he was at least calling for a security review, which was not being called for by the Bush administration.
My question is do you think this group represents a small violent faction of muslims? If so, why were these protests so vast and violent? My personal belief is that this is not a war against Islam, as some people like to believe, it is a war within Islam. I agree that it is a war within Islam. The protests were wide and varied. Some were violent and some were not. Some were manufactured and some were not. I think the majority of muslims are not violent.
Keep in mind that this is over a cartoon. I was threatened by an equally ludicrous crowd of Xians (including being blown up) for going to see a movie which wasn't even making fun of Xians or Xianity. So who is more outrageous? I dunno.
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 64 of 91 (291461)
03-02-2006 11:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Silent H
03-02-2006 10:51 AM
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Re: Video
I was threatened by an equally ludicrous crowd of Xians (including being blown up) for going to see a movie which wasn't even making fun of Xians or Xianity. So who is more outrageous? I dunno.
I think these islamic protests are far more widespread than Xians protesting to blow people up over a movie. (which movie was it?)
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 65 of 91 (291464)
03-02-2006 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 64 by Tal
03-02-2006 11:02 AM
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Re: Video
It was Last Temptation of Christ and the protests were throughout the US and Europe. I think there have been more protests regarding the cartoons because you have political issues within this as well as having specific people/groups pushing this to be more. That does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery.
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 66 of 91 (291465)
03-02-2006 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Silent H
03-02-2006 11:07 AM
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Re: Video
That does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery.
You are dillusional or simply not intellectually honest. How many people were killed at the Last temptation protests? How much structural damage? This message has been edited by Tal, 03-02-2006 11:14 AM
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 67 of 91 (291473)
03-02-2006 11:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 66 by Tal
03-02-2006 11:14 AM
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Re: Video
You are dillusional or simply not intellectually honest.
Do the research yourself. People were fire bombed.
How many people were killed at the Last temptation protests?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but its mainly the protestors getting killed, right? And who are killing them? Muslims. Hmmmmmm.
How much structural damage?
I already said there were less protests. Again this does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery.
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1721 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 68 of 91 (291474)
03-02-2006 11:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Tal
03-02-2006 10:24 AM
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Re: Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
I am stunned that Mr. Clinton would willingly subvert our nation's security. Well, pardon me, but what he did according to your cite was convince Dubai Ports to consent to a 45-day review period, which wasn't going to happen, otherwise. Now we've got a chance to find out if the deal is dangerous and stop it if it is. Before, we wouldn't have found out until it was too late. Looks to me like he did a lot more for our nation's security than Bush just did.
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 69 of 91 (291475)
03-02-2006 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 67 by Silent H
03-02-2006 11:34 AM
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Re: Video
Do the research yourself. People were fire bombed. No. You are making the allegation, provide some evidence.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but its mainly the protestors getting killed, right? And who are killing them? Muslims. Hmmmmmm. Correct.
Again this does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery It is NOT the same.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 70 of 91 (291482)
03-02-2006 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Tal
03-02-2006 11:45 AM
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Re: Video
It is NOT the same.
If you don't know what happened, how can you know its not the same?
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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Tal
Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 1140 From: Fort Bragg, NC Joined: 12-29-2004
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Message 71 of 91 (291504)
03-02-2006 1:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by Silent H
03-02-2006 12:10 PM
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Re: Video
You do not live in reality.
People don't kill people Cartoons kill people
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 72 of 91 (291509)
03-02-2006 2:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Tal
03-02-2006 1:46 PM
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Re: Video
You do not live in reality.
It sure didn't feel like reality with a bunch of fanatic Xians promising death for watching a movie... but it happened. Of course where I live WMDs were not found. What is reality to you?
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 866 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 73 of 91 (291511)
03-02-2006 2:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Tal
03-02-2006 10:24 AM
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Re: Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
Yes, it is so obvius that he is doing so, .. with the following part of the article
However, Mrs Clinton remains a leading voice against the deal, and this week proposed legislation to block it, arguing that the US could not afford to “surrender our port operations to foreign governments”. Mr Clinton’s spokesman said: “President Clinton is the former president of the US and as such receives many calls from world leaders and leading figures every week. About two weeks ago, the Dubai leaders called him and he suggested that they submit to the full and regular scrutiny process and that they should put maximum safeguards and security into any port proposal.” He added that Mr Clinton supported his wife’s position on the deal and that “ideally” state-owned companies would not own US port operations.
In other words, he suggested that they don't try to bypass the process that was set up.
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Silent H
Member (Idle past 6074 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: 12-11-2002
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Message 74 of 91 (291523)
03-02-2006 2:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by ramoss
03-02-2006 2:11 PM
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Re: Bill Clinton ceding US ports to the enemy?
with the following part of the article
(Slamming head repeatedly)... I can't believe I didn't double check that article. Tal quote mining? Amazing!
holmes "What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1598 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 75 of 91 (291527)
03-02-2006 3:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 67 by Silent H
03-02-2006 11:34 AM
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just ask kevin smith
Again this does not change the fact that Xians get riled up in the same way and threaten people with death over imagery. he got several death threats regarding "dogma." there's a great story he tells about showing up to protest his own movie. of course, had the protest been larger, someone might have recognized him.
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