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Buzsaw
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Message 301 of 307 (427683)
10-12-2007 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by nator
10-12-2007 10:12 AM


Re: Statistical Bias
nator writes:
........all drugs powerful enough to have a positive effect are powerful tenough to have a negative effect as well. That's what those inserts that come with your prescriptions (and are conspicuously absent from most herbal drugs) very explicitly state.
1. The powerful positive effect is what sells powerful un-natural drugs foreign to the body which, unlike many naturopath products, make you feel better quickly on the short haul but if not continued leave you on the ropes in worse condition than when you began treatment with your body coping with the negative adverse side effects of the chemicals foreign to the body's ecosystem.
2. Often herbal and wholistic remedies which detoxify the bad stuff out of the body's ecosystem have the immediate effect of making you feel worse due to the detoxification as the depressive and toxic junk within you cells and organs etc begin to surface so as to be eliminated. This is why many who simply try these alternatives on the short haul become discouraged and opt out, badmouthing all wholistic remedies as quakery. My brother in law who died early of diabetes complications was a good example of this. He briefly tried a good natural barely green product and it's detoxifying effect surfaced some mild rashing on his arms so instead of reducing the amount as we advised he debunked it and refused to listen to any other wholistic advice. Of course he told all his friends how useless and dangerous a natural green herbal product allegedly is. Likely the rash was due to the fact that a generous helping of this all natural barley grass AIM BARLEYGREEN which we use regularly produces a goodly amount of vitamin C as well as other good detoxifying nutrients. This man was a physical wreck due to all the junk in his diet along with the perscriptions he was on the immediate effect to him appeared to be negative.
3. After years and decades of abusing ones body one should not look for the illusional silver bullet, but for the wholistic treatment which works to repair all the damaged cells, bones and glands. Don't expect overnight or in a few days to fix what it took a very long period of time to damage.
In summary, conventional medicine often gets patients on expensive products un-natural to the body which give the false felling of wellness on the short haul but on the long haul leave the patient worse off or dead. This silver bullet illusional effect of conventional methodology is what keeps the majority of sick people shelling out $$$ to the coffers of the rich and powerful pharms and conventional medical practitioners.
Wholistic methodology, on the other hand, may have the immediate effect of depression or lack of energy etc but as the system becomes repaired and detoxified the long effect is healing, wellness and more energy etc, etc. If you don't agree, just try a 24 or 48 hour fast on water or even including diluted barley green drink. I can pretty much guarantee that most of us would have a miserable day while on the fast as the body detoxifies, eliminates and repairs. Of course, if you're on pharms, do not even attempt such a fast as the effects could be dangerous due to the body's inability to cope with the powerful chemicals foreign to it's ecosystem.
Having said the above, conventional medicine is very good at repairing injuries, fixing broken bones, wounds and other emergency needs of patients. If my body should get broken up in a wreck or other accident etc I want the services conventional medicine offers ASAP. This is why Dr. Julian Whitaker of the Whitaker Wellness Institute, the largest alternative health care facility in the nation practices integrated healthcare using the best of every methodology, including some effective and less dangerous pharmaceuticals for the wellness of his patients. Whitaker is a regular on Deborah's radio healthytalkradio.com one hour show which we listen to regularly five days a week on our local radio station. You can access these programs live on Ray's website. I guarantee that if you listen regularly you will learn a lot regardless of your health ideology.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 302 of 307 (427685)
10-12-2007 11:57 AM


Time To Summarize
It's time for any who wish to summarize to do so. I'll give it a few hours for that after which I or another admin can close this and open Phase III of the topic since this topic appears to be a hot topic.

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Kitsune
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Message 303 of 307 (427696)
10-12-2007 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 302 by AdminBuzsaw
10-12-2007 11:57 AM


Re: Time To Summarize
open Phase III of the topic since this topic appears to be a hot topic.
Bloody hell LOLOL

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AdminBuzsaw
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Message 304 of 307 (427705)
10-12-2007 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Kitsune
10-12-2007 12:30 PM


Re: Time To Summarize
Being this thread if full and running over, all remaining comments for summarizations only, please. Your cooperation in this will be appreciated by admins.

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purpledawn
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Posts: 4453
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Message 305 of 307 (427707)
10-12-2007 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by AdminBuzsaw
10-12-2007 1:22 PM


Do Not Continue
AdminBuz,
I request that this thread be closed after summation without creating a continuation thread.
If an individual has something they truly wish to continue discussing, the individual can start a new topic.
Thanks
PD

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Buzsaw
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Message 306 of 307 (427710)
10-12-2007 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by purpledawn
10-12-2007 1:32 PM


Re: Do Not Continue
That makes good sense, Purple. Thanks. Perhaps in a couple hours or so you or another admin can do the honors if I'm not online.

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AdminPD
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Message 307 of 307 (427764)
10-12-2007 7:50 PM


End Of Thread
300's the limit
Stow the prose,
No more discussion
It's time to close.
Finis
See you in another thread. Magic Wand

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