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Author Topic:   Have 600,000 Iraqis died violently since 2003?
nwr
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Message 2 of 77 (356357)
10-13-2006 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Modulous
10-13-2006 5:02 PM


The one problem I see, is that collection of data during the current unsettled conditions is probably a little tricky.
My own personal estimate had been that there were over 200,000 Iraqi deaths. While the 600,000 figure is higher than expected, it does at least seem plausible.

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Message 24 of 77 (357248)
10-18-2006 12:14 PM
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10-18-2006 11:41 AM


At the hands of US troops ???
"attempt to calculate how many more Iraqis have died since March 2003 than one would expect without the war. Their conclusion, based on interviews of households and not a body count, is that about 600,000 died from violence, mostly gunfire."
I guess I'm a slow reader. Can you point out where that says "at the hands of US troops"?
Maybe I'm misreading it, but it seems to me that the quoted statement very clearly includes deaths caused by the insurgents, and deaths caused by the general deterioration of living standards in a war torn country.

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Message 34 of 77 (357375)
10-18-2006 11:04 PM
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10-18-2006 9:59 PM


Re: Accuracy
Not exactly. I'm saying that the Lancet report is being misused as some sort of tool of vengence to equate to "civilian deaths at the hands of coalition forces," to further stigmatize the war effort. If you type that in to a search engine, blog after blog is misrepresenting the issue. But I also find it unfair to count non-violent deaths that do not pertain to either sectarian violence or collateral damage that incured due to US forces. As well, one has to ask whether or not insurgents, who are clear combatants, are not being grouped into the civilian deaths. And this especially because 'gunshot' is listed as the number one cause of death.
A new study asserts that roughly 600,000 Iraqis have died from violence since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, a figure many times higher than any previous estimate.
I looked at the first of these "objectionable" studies. Maybe I misread, but I sure cannot find where the Lancet report is being misused there.
I am getting the impression that "stigmatize" applies here mainly to what you are posting.

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