The bigotry of atheists

What a joke! This is what happens when you misuse a term from its original intended meaning by using it against anyone that disagrees with you that is waters down the term from its original historical context and itself becomes meaningless.So, in the context you are using this term every human being on Earth including yourself is a bigot and the term bigot has lost any and all contextual meaning.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

someone rename this thread to "the bigotry of bigotry"
i mean really, thats all the topic ever ends up being.
true bigots try the stupid claim that someone can't be intolerant of bigotry against innocent people,
which is what they are arguing most of the time: defending themselves from being called bigots for hating minorities or women

Thief here...
Just wandered by to see how things are going.
I've written only a few posts here and there. In return I've been called an idiot, a prophet, incoherent, and suspended.
Then I return to find this thread.
Oh my God!

Are you suggesting that this is bigotry?Being called generic nasty names isn't necessarily bigoted, is it? Do you think this is what Christians are referring to when they accuse atheists of being bigoted? Saying things that upset them, being rude, or name calling. Granted - name calling can accompany and be a sign of bigotry, but is this the extent of it?Do those same atheists treat all Christians with that level of disrespect? Or is it just you they treat that way? Did these people call you an idiot or say that you were incoherent - or did they call what you say 'idiotic' or that your words are incoherent. Since that might indicate a communication breakdown somewhere rather than any actual bigotry.

Already the martyr complex after only 29 posts, Thief? I have been called many of the same names on and off this board, both in real life as well as my virtual existence on the internet, but have a thick skin and I let these stupid little assessments of a person who they have never actually personally met, go in one ear and out the other. BTW, I am also in the US Navy and a thick skin is not just recommended but absolutely necessary to be able to perform one's job.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Wow, that is from left field. LOL. Just to clarify, are you saying that I hate minorities and women?Good grief. This is about the most inane, stupid discussion on EvC that I have somehow got sucked into. People are popping in left and right providing stupid little comments on a discussion no one really can quite get there head around in the first place.When someone brings rationality and logic to this discussion I will chime back in, otherwise you guys have fun discussing who it more of a bigot against bigotry.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that RevDG was backing you up...

If RevDG was backing me, I apologize. His post was a comment to mine and I seemed to have gotten confused.Besides, I have lost track as to what is actually being argued here, i.e the bigotry of being anti-bigoted, so I am backing out with what little dignity I have left This all seemed to have started when CatholicScientist called me a bigot for me being angry against public funding being used to support religious fanatics in Califiornia worshiping a piece of concrete that looks like the Virgin Mary and "disrespecting" there religious beliefs.BTW, I have a tile in my bathroom that looks like the face of Jesus if anyone wants to pay me for it I will auction it off on Ebay.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Really!? Wow.... Is English not your native language?Here's my entire post Message 11:

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Underpass stains, burnt toast & the pervasiveness of the Cult of the Virgin Mary
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I understand not every religious person believes these things (i.e. images of Mary or Jesus burnt onto toast are some type of divine sign from God) but why does humanity (religious or otherwise) even entertain stupid, ignorant, pseudoscientific bullshit phenomena as such? In addition, why does the media feel like this crap is worthy of being on the headline news?

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This is pure emotional greed bordering on psychosis.

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Bigotry?

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Notice the question mark at the end? I didn't call you a bigot, it was a question.Notice the bolded section? It didn't have anything to do with you being angry about public funding. It was these phrases:

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stupid, ignorant, pseudoscientific bullshit

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This is pure emotional greed bordering on psychosis.

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that made me think this might be the bigotry that is the topic of this thread.So how do you get this: From that? And why quote disrespecting? Do you find you comments respectful?But anyways.... the topic.From the OP:

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However, Bertot recently brought up the "bigotry and intolerance of the Atheistic Secular Fundamentalists twords nearly all religion and Theism". I'd like to discuss this in more detail.

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I brought your thread up in this one to ask if that was this "bigotry" that the OP was referring too. Is what you did in the other thread the kind of stuff that Bertot is referring too?

No, that's not why I called him a bigot. You're just trying to force your definition.The refusal to respect is inherant to the dictionary definition of bigotry.

And you blatantly disregarded this remark in Message 13 by yourself: And like I said earlier, I could care less and am tired of being drawn into your endless anti-biogtry bigotry tirade. So let's just end this stupidity before it spreads. It helps if you not take my words out of context. Here is what I actually said IN CONTEXT (I will highlight to make sure you understand what I am saying and expound my thoughts): As can be seen I did not lump all religious people into this category and I specify that the problem isn't with religious belief but rather with the attention, time, money, etc people spend and allow the state to spend on inane phenomena such as pareidolia which has no basis in reality.Like I said earlier, I tolerate this behavior but in no way have to respect i.e. admire it. If you want to call me a religious bigot so be it however before you start throwing stones realize that my wife and many of my family and friends are Christians yet they do not call me a bigot even though they know what my beliefs (or lack thereof) are. BTW, many protestant Christians feel the same way I do about the Cult of Mary worship and pareidolia worship. One does not have to be an atheist to think this behavior is ridiculous and silly.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

LOL. I thought you said you didn't call me a bigot? Who has the short memory? Bullshit. The dictionary definition of being a bigot is this: Where does it talk about respect? Nowhere. And I do not hate these people. If anything I feel pity for them.And how am I being intollerent. Have I gone down there and picketed them or physically kept them from worshiping this image? No. Have I even advocated keeping them from practicing this behavior. No (though I did say that we should not spend state money promoting this behavior).I just made a comment that I think this behavior is stupid and silly. That is a far cry from hating and being intollerant of these people. But I am sure you will turn this around and say that my comments are bigoted.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Its inherant to intolerance. I spelled it out in Message 5:

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I think bigotry is a bullshit term.
Bigotry:

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1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

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intolerance

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1. lack of toleration; unwillingness or refusal to tolerate or respect contrary opinions or beliefs, persons of different races or backgrounds, etc.
2. incapacity or indisposition to bear or endure: intolerance to heat.
3. abnormal sensitivity or allergy to a food, drug, etc.
4. an intolerant act.

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From these definition we can see that even an unwillingness to respect contrary beliefs is bigotry.

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By disrespecting something because you think its senseless. You implied that humanity shouldn't entertain the phenomenon and said that it is nearly psychotic greed. Is it though? That's the question.....

Ok, if you want to consider this some form of bigotry fine. But then everyone on Earth would then be considered a bigot because there is no one, including yourself, who respects every opinion they may disagree with.Atheists disagree with the beliefs of theists,
Theists disagree with the lack of belief of atheists,
Deists say they are both wrong and God is a magic watch maker but does interfere in the affairs of man,
Agnostics say who cares (but I am sure I could find a belief they disagree with),
etc, etc, etc ad infinitim.So everyone is a bigot. Nice going on destroying the historical context of the word "bigot" there CS BTW, I am done with this topic. I am tired of dragging this stupidity through the mud.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

Its not that I have some desire to consider these things bigotry, its that I honestly don't understand what it really is. I'm going from what I can look up in the dictionary. That's why I'm calling it a bullshit term. I don't know much about the historical context, I'm fairly new to the term.Rrhain seems to think that you have to be denying someone something in order to be a bigot. You seem to think it has to do with treatment and that it can be justified.I'm under the impression that the simple racist phrase: "Black people are stupid." would be a form of bigotry. But it doesn't deny anyone anything so it doesn't fit Rrhain's definition and if you say it in private then you wouldn't be treating anyone so it wouldn't fit your definition.According to my definition though, since it is disrespectful it can be considered bigotry. But then, as you see, it makes it a bullshit term.So is this disrespect towards the theists by the atheists actual bigotry?Edited by Catholic Scientist, : typo