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Topic: Tribute Thread for the Recently Passed Greats
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4179 Joined: 07-01-2005
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Message 1382 of 1409 (923611)
09-10-2025 10:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 1381 by Phat
09-10-2025 9:08 PM
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Re: Charlie Kirk, Conservative Activist 31
Charlie Kirk did not deserve to be shot and murdered. Nobody does. He *was* loathsome and a stain on American political discourse. His death was ironic, in that he's well known for specifically saying that Americans should accept that a number of innocent people (including children) will die to gun violence, because that's the price of the 2nd Amendment. He died on the same day that there was another school shooting. The death of a political hatemonger who advocated against women and minorities will overshadow the violence against literal children on the same day. He didn't deserve to be shot. Nobody deserves to be murdered. But he was loathsome, and I won't be mourning him.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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kjsimons
Member Posts: 839 From: Orlando,FL Joined: 06-17-2003
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Message 1383 of 1409 (923615)
09-11-2025 9:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 1381 by Phat
09-10-2025 9:08 PM
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Re: Charlie Kirk, Conservative Activist 31
If you don't think Charlie Kirk was loathsome, then you haven't been paying attention or listened to the hate he spews on a regular basis. He's the definition of loathsome.
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Admin
Director Posts: 13233 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 1384 of 1409 (923628)
09-12-2025 11:25 AM
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Moderator Request
In this moderator's opinion, this thread is for celebrating the lives of those who have recently left us. This is not the place for downvotes. If you can't maintain at least a neutral stance it might be best to say nothing at all.
| -- | Percy | | | EvC Forum Director |
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kjsimons
Member Posts: 839 From: Orlando,FL Joined: 06-17-2003
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Message 1385 of 1409 (923638)
09-12-2025 8:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 1384 by Admin
09-12-2025 11:25 AM
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Re: Moderator Request
Sorry, but I respectively disagree. If people post about vile people you can't expect people to be silent about them celebrating their lives. Charlie Kirk didn't deserve to be assassinated but he doesn't deserve to be lauded either.
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4179 Joined: 07-01-2005
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Message 1386 of 1409 (923639)
09-12-2025 9:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 1384 by Admin
09-12-2025 11:25 AM
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Re: Moderator Request
I truly hope that you don't expect anyone to remain "neutral" when Donald Trump, aka Adolf Hitler II, finally kicks it. Respectfully, I will not remain "neutral" about abhorrent people just because they've died. If you want celebrations, then restrict posting to non-controversial individuals who everyone agrees were a net benefit to humanity. When people who advocate for the deaths of minorities , the subjugation of women, or the supremacy of a single religion die, I won't pretend to be "neutral."
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8837 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006
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Message 1387 of 1409 (923643)
09-13-2025 5:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 1384 by Admin
09-12-2025 11:25 AM
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Re: Moderator Request
In this moderator's opinion, this thread is for celebrating the lives of those who have recently left us. There is nothing to celebrate in this one. He advocated violence against humans because he didn't like their looks or thoughts. He advocated gun violence in society. He preached school shootings and dead 8 year-olds as necessary for the Second Amendment to exist. He was a socially violent anti-human gun nut and someone shot him dead. So be it. If this thread continues, please understand moderator or no, an entry in this topic is an invite to examine the full life of the subject. If this is not your intent then maybe you should close this topic.
"There’s simply no polite way to tell people they’ve dedicated their lives to an illusion,” -Daniel Dennett One of man’s greatest achievements was to reach out his mind and teach sand to think. Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Admin
Director Posts: 13233 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 1388 of 1409 (923647)
09-13-2025 8:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 1384 by Admin
09-12-2025 11:25 AM
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Re: Moderator Request
The title of this thread is Tribute Thread for the Recently Passed Greats. When someone is not, in your opinion, a "great", and you're not offering a tribute, then this is not the proper thread. I 've been consistent about this over the years, see my old posts.
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Admin
Director Posts: 13233 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 1389 of 1409 (923649)
09-13-2025 9:13 PM
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New Thread Opened
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kjsimons
Member Posts: 839 From: Orlando,FL Joined: 06-17-2003
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Message 1390 of 1409 (923650)
09-13-2025 9:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 1388 by Admin
09-13-2025 8:59 PM
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Re: Moderator Request
Percy, the problem with this is that normal people may disagree about who is great but in the current time it appears that Hitler himself would be lauded in this thread and you expect no negative responses. Kirk was not great and doesn't deserve to receive respect in this forum.
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nwr
Member Posts: 6555 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005
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Message 1391 of 1409 (923651)
09-13-2025 9:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 1390 by kjsimons
09-13-2025 9:30 PM
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Re: Moderator Request
Yes, exactly. One person's great is another person's reprobate.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Admin
Director Posts: 13233 From: EvC Forum Joined: 06-14-2002 Member Rating: 4.7
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Message 1392 of 1409 (923657)
09-14-2025 9:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 1390 by kjsimons
09-13-2025 9:30 PM
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Re: Moderator Request
kjsimons writes: Kirk was not great and doesn't deserve to receive respect in this forum. Any position on Kirk is valid for discussion in this forum, but individual threads have their own topics. This one is a tribute thread for greats. There are other threads where the role Kirk played in conservative politics can be characterized, labeled, and discussed. For example, Kirk is being discussed in the The Second Trump Presidency thread right now, and I just opened the Condemnation Thread for Recently Passed Reprobates thread. This tribute thread was also never imagined as one for discussion, just a place to note one's thoughts on someone's passing, in the way that people rise at a memorial to say a few words about the departed.
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2724 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009
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Message 1393 of 1409 (923693)
09-16-2025 1:16 PM
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Robert Redford, 89
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Redford my favorite line: "...I can't swim."
"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! "Enjoy every sandwich!"-Warren Zevon on his last DaveLetterman show - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Phat
Member Posts: 19064 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003
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Re: Robert Redford, 89
I remember him much younger in The Sting with Paul Newman. He sure could run fast! That movie also had Robert Shaw in it. He was the one who got stung. 
When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--PercyGod alone is God *but* God is not alone~Ellis Potter We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
Critics would of course say that "God" is a product of human imagination...but then again God may well declare that all of creation is a product of His imagination! It is all in the perspective of the observer.~Phat
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xongsmith
Member Posts: 2724 From: massachusetts US Joined: 01-01-2009
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Message 1395 of 1409 (923844)
10-01-2025 6:19 PM
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Dr. Jane Goodall, 91
seems like all i can think of, when Jane Goodall comes up, is kindness. this is a big loss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall Edited by xongsmith, .
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4179 Joined: 07-01-2005
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Re: Jane Goodall, 91
Should edit to add Dr. She deserves the dignity of her title.
-->“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." - Barash, David 1995... "Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf, J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord Of the Rings "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."
1 Corinthians 15:26King James Version (KJV) -->Nihil supernum --> -->
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