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Coragyps
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Message 16 of 79 (74549)
12-21-2003 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 9:26 AM


the basalt rock that converted into sedimentary rock due to the tremendous heat,
Check your sources.....

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NosyNed
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Message 17 of 79 (74550)
12-21-2003 11:08 AM
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12-21-2003 10:32 AM


Understanding
Question: do you understand what you have just posted?
Obviously not.

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roxrkool
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Message 18 of 79 (74558)
12-21-2003 1:46 PM
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12-21-2003 9:26 AM


That has to be the longest sentence I have ever seen! For you, I suggest using bullets. It would make reading your posts much easier and you already tend towards that style anyway.
I'm sorry, Whatever, but it's obvious you haven't a clue about geology - basalt turning into sedimentary rocks via heat??? Granite on/in the ocean floor??? Take Coragyps' advice and check your sources.

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Message 19 of 79 (74562)
12-21-2003 2:17 PM


When Mt. St. Helens Erupted is was a lateral blast, even so, ash blew into orbit for years, circling the earth, you forget that 90 percent of what comes out of a volcano is water, and the rest ash, gases, etc...it is interesting that most of what asteroids consist is believed water, its not unreasonable it explains the asteroid belt, and all the rock sediments littered in the soils of the earth, like the flood must of not happened all that long ago, as rocks are still rising out of the earth from the frost in my part of the world, like frost only goes down 4 feet, if these sediments were formed millions of years ago, they wouldn't still be rising up from 4 feet deep, all the rocks that could be lifted up by the forces of water freezing would of lifted all these rocks to the surface, as is farmers are still finding new rocks each year they plow their fields, the flood explains where these rock came from, as the glaciers that were formed suddenly, then melted with rock sediments within, responsible for the heart ache to the farmer, plowing into these stones, and piling these stones each year on the side of their fields, etc...

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Message 20 of 79 (74563)
12-21-2003 2:28 PM


It not believed the basalt turned into sedimentary rock but the foundational granites, that fractured under extreme pressures turned to sedimentary rock. If you can prove that geologists have cored through the basalt layers on the oceans bottom, as is they only are assuming the oceans basement rocks are basalt, truth is they don't know if granite exists below the basalt lava's, etc...think though it was Walt Brown that said the trenches are not subducting, something about laser measurements not supporting the trenches are subducting(moving), etc...
P.S. Is not the magnetic reversals of the basalt layers covering the oceans floor, its only a phenomenom of permanent magnets, it appears they have not even dated the magnetic reversals layers for age, just assuming the lavas are spreading over millions of years, likely if ever they date the basalt magnetic basalts, the age will be the same, all across the oceans bottom, meaning of course the techtonic plates are not spreading via basalts, etc...take several permanent magnets, and try to have them all point north side by side, you can not do this, the magnetic reversals is a normal phenomenom, etc...

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Message 21 of 79 (74571)
12-21-2003 3:01 PM
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12-21-2003 2:17 PM


better start giving your sources
...it is interesting that most of what asteroids consist is believed water, its not unreasonable it explains the asteroid belt
This is, of course, utterly wrong. You might do well to start giving source for whereever you are getting your ideas.

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NosyNed
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Message 22 of 79 (74572)
12-21-2003 3:03 PM
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12-21-2003 2:28 PM


more nonsense
..it appears they have not even dated the magnetic reversals layers for age, just assuming the lavas are spreading over millions of years, likely if ever they date the basalt magnetic basalts, the age will be the same, all across the oceans bottom, meaning of course the techtonic plates are not spreading via basalts, etc
This is also completely wrong. Why don't you try a bit of googling and read a little? You are as full of wrong ideas as anyone who has ever dropped by here. And, believe me, that is saying something!

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Message 23 of 79 (74576)
12-21-2003 3:24 PM


Noah's ark being found in the Mt. Ararat area, by Ron Wyatt, well circumstantial evidence anyway(sea anchors etc...), but whatever, it was off to the side of where the mid-ocean ridges were erupting supersonic steam into the upper atmosphere, think your right that it is the root cause of the water laden metorites, frozen testimonials of the biblical flood, however, heat rises but in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere it cooled suddenly, and came back frozen to the earth(the glaciers formed suddenly), super deregnoes winds, straight winds, in the area of the erupting waters(like storms fronts with humid air causing severe down drafts, but on a much bigger scale), interestingly due to the rotation of the earth,and where Noahs ark was found, was protected from where the waters were erupting out of the earth, it is interesting that the ark was shaped not as box but as an ark, it was designed to flow with the waves, with sea anchors, etc...it something about fluid dynamics, where a fish can remain stationary with little effort in a fast moving stream of water, too me, its no accident that God had Noah build an ark, and had Noah coat it with sealant inside and out, it is interesting that the bible testifies that iron and bronze technologies existed in Noah's day kjv genesis 4:22, helping to support the ark, granted this science was lost after the flood, until the bronze and iron age was rediscovered, etc...it is interesting if one loses power in a storm, even today, your supposed to throw out your sea anchor's and ride out the storm (fluid dynamics), and all the circumstantial evidence Ron Wyatt provided with the pictures of them sea anchors, circumstantial evidence, that the ark was designed with fluid dynamics, etc...

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NosyNed
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Message 24 of 79 (74578)
12-21-2003 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 3:24 PM


Enough Nonsense
I think you've had your go at this. Neither Noah's ark nor any other evidence has been found and substantiated. You seem to be able to believe just about any nonsense.
Why don't you just hang off posting a bit and read over some threads to get an idea of how to debate. You do need to both organize your thoughts more and then offer some substantiation other than single paragraphs rambles based on nothing much but fairy tales.
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Common sense isn't

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Message 25 of 79 (74581)
12-21-2003 4:10 PM


Nosy Ned,
Digest what I've written, check it out, you will find they are finding fractured rock and water 7 miles into the earth, with all the pressures and temps this shouldn't be, but be as it is, they(scientists) are studying fluid dynamics and crustal mechanics within the inner earth, like in the Russian super deep well, like even the trinity well is over 2 miles deep, think its located in Idaho, a natural artesian well with water coming through cracks in the granite foundational rocks, its so deep and pure that MTBE has not polluted it, etc...
P.S. I already said what comes out of a volcano being up to 90 percent water, the thermal venting on each side of the mid-ocean ridges(springs on the oceans floor), the ring of fire, etc... that even though Mt. St. Helens was a lateral blast it blasted ash into orbit, if it would of been blasting vertical, how much water would of been blasted out of orbit, the basalt ridges are basalt not granite, think you should read up on Walt Browns hydroplate theory, etc...Its cutting edge, but its consistent with the evidence. It is interesting the only time they tried to drill through the basalt ocean floor, they went only 200 feet and stopped drilling, the truth is they do not know if granite exists beneath the basalt lava that covered the oceans floor during the biblical flood, etc...

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Message 26 of 79 (74586)
12-21-2003 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 4:10 PM


A bad tummy ache
What you write is indigestable.

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Eta_Carinae
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Message 27 of 79 (74587)
12-21-2003 5:12 PM
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12-21-2003 4:10 PM


Walt Brown is a dope. He is the fool who even worse than Hovind figured the Earth's rotational slowdown as 1 second per day per year. lOL LOL LOL
Also Ron Waytt is an ex California cop who even other creationists call a fraud.
Somehow this ex-cop not only found the Ark (but no one else has seen it LOL) he also claims to know where Paul's ship was wrecked.
Again, the worlds archeologists cannot find stuff but this ex-cop somehow claims to have found what would be 2 of the biggest finds in history. What a crock!!!!!!!!!

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Coragyps
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Message 28 of 79 (74601)
12-21-2003 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by johnfolton
12-21-2003 4:10 PM


you will find they are finding fractured rock and water 7 miles into the earth, with all the pressures and temps this shouldn't be,
And why shouldn't this be? The six-mile deep gas wells drilled in the Anadarko Basin of western Oklahoma in the 1970's found water and natural gas in those fractured sediments, just as the geologists hoped.... What would pressure or temperature have to do with whether water was there or not? I've worked in the petroleum business for a quarter-century now, and have yet to hear of a well, including 400-degree F ones, that didn't have water in its rock.
you should read up on Walt Browns hydroplate theory, etc...Its cutting edge, but its consistent with the evidence.
I have Brown's online book bookmarked on this computer, and have read a lot of it. The whole thing is a astonishing exercise in finding and deliberately misrepresenting real scientific papers to support a ludicrous bunch of myths.

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JonF
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Message 29 of 79 (74603)
12-21-2003 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Eta_Carinae
12-21-2003 5:12 PM


The late Ron Wyatt isn't claiming much of anything anymore, but his followers are.
Some useful links on Wyatt:
BOGUS "NOAH'S ARK FROM TURKEY EXPOSED AS A COMMON GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE, by one of the participants in one of Wyatt's "expeditions".
Wyatt Archeological Research Fraud Documentation
Amazing ‘Ark’ Expos Could this be Noah’s Ark? ... the answer, of course, is "no", in this article from a major creationist organization.

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JonF
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Message 30 of 79 (74607)
12-21-2003 8:10 PM
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12-21-2003 5:12 PM


Somehow this ex-cop not only found the Ark (but no one else has seen it LOL) he also claims to know where Paul's ship was wrecked.
Again, the worlds archeologists cannot find stuff but this ex-cop somehow claims to have found what would be 2 of the biggest finds in history. What a crock!!!!!!!!!
Actually, he claimed to have found lots more: Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Sodom and Gomorrah, the chariot wheels of Pharaoh's army in the Red Sea, the blood and water of Christ on the Mercy Seat (in the chamber with the Ark of the Covenant), and Mount Sinai ... but I don't know of any claim to have found the site of Paul's shipwreck. Got a cite?

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