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FliesOnly
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Message 151 of 162 (449563)
01-18-2008 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Hyroglyphx
01-13-2008 11:56 PM


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Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
I presume that it started with the question of how Huckabee wants to handle the issue of gay marriage.
Without having to go back and re-read this entire thread, let me just come out and ask you (and if you have replied to this previously, simply mention that post) how you feel about Huckabee as a candidate. Personally I find him repugnant, but I would guess that you love the guy.
I mean after all, not only has Huckabee come out and said the he wants the Constitution changed so it reflects the word of God and not the word of man, he has now come out and compared same sex marriage with incest, polygamy, a pedophilia. N J, you must be so proud. What a piece of shit that man (Huckabee, not you ) truly is.
And what's truly sad is that people in the crowd cheer for this shit. Here's a Presidential candidate that pretty much says he wants this Country to be a Christian Theocracy, and that homosexuals are comparable to pedophiles, and yet no one speaks out against him. Where's this supposed liberal media we hear so much about? How come this asshole hasn't been blasted by the press? It scares the shit outa me. No matter how deeply religious you are, this sort of talk should be very disturbing.
So, Nemesis Juggernaut...what do you think of this guy? You and he are right in step together on the whole "homosexuals are perverts" thing. What about his idea of changing our Constitution to agree with your Bible...do you agree with that as well?
And lastly, let me ask you a couple more questions. We liberals get accused of this crap all the time, being pretty much opposed to anything Bush does, but in light of Huckabee’s latest statements, I”d just like to ask you . Why do Christian hate this Country and why are Christians so unpatriotic?

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molbiogirl
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Message 152 of 162 (450319)
01-21-2008 3:25 PM


Huckabee. A white supremicist?
Huckabee gave speech to white supremacists
Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism - 404 Not Found
Making coded appeals to white racism is nothing new for Huckabee. Indeed, well before he was a nationally known political star, Huckabee nurtured a relationship with America's largest white supremacist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens. The extent of Huckabee's interaction with the racist group is unclear, but this much is known: he accepted an invitation to speak at the group's annual conference in 1993 and ultimately delivered a videotaped address that was "extremely well received by the audience."
A theocratic candidate who's also a white supremicist. Mmm mmm good.

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 153 of 162 (450321)
01-21-2008 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by FliesOnly
01-18-2008 11:14 AM


Re:
how you feel about Huckabee as a candidate.
I like him better than all the other candidates.
Personally I find him repugnant
Shocking.
I mean after all, not only has Huckabee come out and said the he wants the Constitution changed so it reflects the word of God and not the word of man
Source please.
he has now come out and compared same sex marriage with incest, polygamy, a pedophilia.
Source please.
N J, you must be so proud.
Since he is the only Republican candidate not to have flop-flopped on an issue, his steadfast character does appeal to me.
What a piece of shit that man truly is.
Don't hold back for me. Just let it all out. Let be your catharsis.
Here's a Presidential candidate that pretty much says he wants this Country to be a Christian Theocracy
Give me a break. A Theocracy? Please give me something to reference.
and that homosexuals are comparable to pedophiles, and yet no one speaks out against him.
What then are doing right now?
Where's this supposed liberal media we hear so much about?
On the television.
How come this asshole hasn't been blasted by the press?
Maybe because your conspiracy theories aren't grounded in fact.
his idea of changing our Constitution to agree with your Bible...do you agree with that as well?
I highly, highly doubt he's ever said any such thing. It sounds like a distortion on your part. I would never want a theocracy for the sole fact that everyone he wants one wants to be Theo.
And lastly, let me ask you a couple more questions. We liberals get accused of this crap all the time, being pretty much opposed to anything Bush does, but in light of Huckabee’s latest statements, I”d just like to ask you . Why do Christian hate this Country and why are Christians so unpatriotic?

“There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis

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dwise1
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Message 154 of 162 (450329)
01-21-2008 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by Hyroglyphx
01-21-2008 3:51 PM


Re:
FliesOnly writes:
I mean after all, not only has Huckabee come out and said the he wants the Constitution changed so it reflects the word of God and not the word of man
Source please.
Verily it is written: Google and ye shall find.
The source is CNN, though I'm sure that many other news services also reported it. This page among many contains a link to the YouTube posting of that report: Inside.com: News and Community For Professionals
He made the statement in a campaign speech. The context was his wanting to amend the Constitution to ban abortion, but the way he worded it was how FliesOnly stated that he did.
Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.

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molbiogirl
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Message 155 of 162 (450336)
01-21-2008 4:25 PM
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01-21-2008 3:51 PM


Re:
I highly, highly doubt he's ever said any such thing. It sounds like a distortion on your part. I would never want a theocracy for the sole fact that everyone he wants one wants to be Theo.
And you are highly, highly wrong.
Wrongedy wrong wrong.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 156 of 162 (450400)
01-21-2008 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by dwise1
01-21-2008 4:06 PM


Re:
He made the statement in a campaign speech. The context was his wanting to amend the Constitution to ban abortion, but the way he worded it was how FliesOnly stated that he did.
I agree with a Constitutional amendment to protect the unborn. No argument there.
I think his meaning was taken well out of context, but nonetheless, his phrasing was bad a move for his political clout. This is the kind of thing that will haunt him for throughout his campaign, because you know this will be used as ammunition against him.

“There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 157 of 162 (450402)
01-21-2008 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by molbiogirl
01-21-2008 4:25 PM


Re:
And you are highly, highly wrong.
Wrongedy wrong wrong.
Let me know when you're ready to act like a big girl so that we can have constructive debates.

“There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis

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Rahvin
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Message 158 of 162 (450403)
01-21-2008 7:10 PM
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01-21-2008 7:04 PM


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This is the kind of thing that will haunt him for throughout his campaign, because you know this will be used as ammunition against him.
And it should be. Nobody who uses that sort of theocratic rhetoric has any business in the White House, ever.
Edited by Rahvin, : Quote tag.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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molbiogirl
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Message 159 of 162 (450429)
01-21-2008 8:09 PM
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01-21-2008 7:06 PM


Re:
Let me know when you're ready to act like a big girl so that we can have constructive debates.
To quote CK:
Hello Kettle this is pot, you are black.

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Message 160 of 162 (450478)
01-22-2008 6:36 AM
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01-21-2008 7:06 PM


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FliesOnly
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Message 161 of 162 (450480)
01-22-2008 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Hyroglyphx
01-21-2008 3:51 PM


Re:
FliesOnly writes:
Personally I find him repugnant
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
Shocking.
Why do you find this shocking?
FliesOnly writes:
I mean after all, not only has Huckabee come out and said the he wants the Constitution changed so it reflects the word of God and not the word of man
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
Source please.
FliesOnly writes:
he has now come out and compared same sex marriage with incest, polygamy, a pedophilia.
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
Source please.
Well, I see that others have provided links for you, so I think we can pretty much skip over this one. I'm a bit surprised that you hadn't heard the comments...what with you being a supporter of this nut job. But then again I'm not that surprised, seeing how this has gotten so very little coverage in this supposed Liberal media we have.
But like I said, even someone deeply religious should stand up and speak out against this sort of rhetoric. Yes, even you, Nemesis Juggernaut, you should stand up and say that in this Country, this sort of idea is completely against what we (the U.S.) stand for. But yet you don't. You apparently agree with him that the bible should supplant our Constitution.
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
Since he is the only Republican candidate not to have flop-flopped on an issue, his steadfast character does appeal to me.
For years, my brother...one of the most devoted Republicans on the planet...used this exact argument in support of George W Bush and Dick Cheney. He now thinks that both should be impeached and imprisoned. Yes...it's true...my brother has finely admitted that for years, I was correct.
His steadfast character is no reason to vote for him unless you also happen to believe what he stands for. And that, NJ, is what I find so troublesome. He friggen wants the Constitution of our Country changed to reflect the word of his biblical (and your) Christian God. How can you live here and support this kind of ideal. You want a religious theocracy...fucking move to the Middle East.
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
Maybe because your conspiracy theories aren't grounded in fact.
What conspiracy theories are you talking about? I pretty much quoted what he himself...you know...your pal Huckabee..said at a campaign speech and you somehow twist that into me having a "conspiracy theory"? Why not address the facts NJ? Hell, even you apparently never heard about his comments and you support the guy. That's hardly what I'd call a "conspiracy theory".
Nemesis Juggernaut writes:
I highly, highly doubt he's ever said any such thing. It sounds like a distortion on your part.
Yeah...well...now that we know it wasn't a distortion, can I assume that you'll be speaking out against Huckabee now? Are you you going to say something like:
"Hey FliesOnly, thanks for pointing out that my Candidate wants to change our Constitution to reflect Gods word. While I myself am a Christian and have a deep faith, I can no longer support a Candidate that apparently has no idea what one of the underlying principles, upon which this great Country of ours was founded, happens to be. Thanks for helping me to see just how anti-American Huckabee is."
Are ya Nemesis Juggernaut...are ya gonna say anything remotely like that?
nemesis Juggernaut writes:
I would never want a theocracy for the sole fact that everyone he wants one wants to be Theo.
Good for you...welcome to the Democratic Party.

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Jaderis
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Message 162 of 162 (450588)
01-22-2008 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by FliesOnly
01-18-2008 11:14 AM


Creepy
I also find him repugnant and more than a little chill-inducing. I had heard mention of his name here and there before 2007, but I saw him on The Daily Show sometime last year and at first he seemed likeable enough...even quite liberal and I think that is what scares me most now that I know more about him. He has won the hearts of a number of Dems and liberal Independents with his seemingly populist economic stance and his folksy personality, but they don't see (or don't see a problem with) his hardline theocratic core.
He reminds me of the character of President Buzz Windrip in Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here. Folksy, down-to-earth Windrip promised economic salvation wrapped in promises of returning to God's Word and was promoted by the big name evangelists, but what the people got was a fascist nightmare.

"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London
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