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Author Topic:   Is there a correlation between religious fundamentalism and holocaust denying?
nator
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Message 16 of 96 (432107)
11-03-2007 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Chiroptera
11-03-2007 12:26 PM


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Heck, outside of the classification of certain languages in Northern Africa and Western Asia, I don't think that I have ever heard the word "Semitic" actually used in conversation as a label for people, except in artificial conversations about the meanings of words (like this one).
Lisa Simpson considers her Jewish substitute teacher as having "semitic good looks".

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riVeRraT
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Message 17 of 96 (432691)
11-07-2007 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Rrhain
11-03-2007 12:10 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
First off, I've never heard of the expression holocaust denier. wtf is that? I guess it is just as it sounds, wierd.
That was not for you rrhain, but for the whole thread.
Let's not pretend that Christian fundamentalists are supportive of Israel because they like Jews. No, they're supportive of Israel because they need the Jews to die during Armageddon.
I don't like to categorize people as fundamentalists, but I don't think I have ever got that feeling from any Christian about the Jews.
If anything, I have felt that there is an obvious dislike about the Jews, that stems from fear, but their fear of God is greater, and come to realize through the bible, that the Jews are the chosen ones, regardless of how they feel personally, therefor respect Israel, and call it the homeland.
For me personally, I believe the whole situation is much greater than me, and have no real opinion. Especially since I have met Jews who act more Christian, than Christians. Breaking down the stereotypes.

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Taz
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Message 18 of 96 (432732)
11-07-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by riVeRraT
11-07-2007 7:46 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
riverrat writes:
First off, I've never heard of the expression holocaust denier.
You really ought to pay more attention to the world around you. When General Ike first visited a concentration camp, he said to his officers that he had no doubt that one day there will be people who will doubt this place ever existed. And he was right about that. There are indeed people today that deny the holocaust ever happened.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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FliesOnly
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Message 19 of 96 (432775)
11-08-2007 6:57 AM
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11-03-2007 2:25 PM


Crashfrog:
crashfrog writes:
I was able to have mine signed by Duane Gish,
Not to drag this too far off topic...but I have to know...how did you manage to get Gish to sign the book? Did he not know what he was signing? Or did he write something that says the book is basically trash?
It is, I agree, and excellent book. I'd kill to have Gish sign mine too. I do have a signed copy of Gould's "Full House" (signed by Gould...not Gish ). I had the honor of picking him up at the airport and then driving him around town (he wanted to see the old town architecture) when he was in Mount Pleasant a number of years ago to give a presentation.
To get this somewhat back on topic...it is interesting that Shermer, in that book, basically states the same thing about the similarities between holocaust deniers and creationists (i.e. fundies).

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FliesOnly
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Message 20 of 96 (432778)
11-08-2007 7:03 AM
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11-07-2007 7:46 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
riVeRraT writes:
First off, I've never heard of the expression holocaust denier.
I find this very difficult to believe. Seriously, on what Planet do you live? Have you never heard of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...or Iran?
riVeRraT writes:
...and come to realize through the bible, that the Jews are the chosen ones, regardless of how they feel personally, therefor respect Israel, and call it the homeland.
You really need to get out a bit more. Maybe do some reading or watch some news.

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riVeRraT
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Message 21 of 96 (432802)
11-08-2007 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Taz
11-07-2007 11:02 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
Sure, that's perfectly normal. There are many people who think messed up things. Just like the 9-11 conspiracy theories, and many more. I just never heard of this particular one. Sounds like an anti-semitic thing.
Hate and fear are probably the main thing behind it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 22 of 96 (432803)
11-08-2007 10:04 AM
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11-08-2007 7:03 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
You really need to get out a bit more. Maybe do some reading or watch some news.
I am sure if we probed you, we would find out that you have missed many obvious things in your own life. Unless you claim to know everything. I am betting you don't, and to criticize me, makes you a hypocrite. Open your mind a bit.

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FliesOnly
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Message 23 of 96 (432811)
11-08-2007 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
11-08-2007 10:04 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
riVeRraT writes:
I am sure if we probed you, we would find out that you have missed many obvious things in your own life.
But this is not some sort of "new" trivial, one time event. Holocaust deniers have been around for decades. You would have had to have missed literally hundreds of "news" events to have not heard of these people.
riVeRraT writes:
I am betting you don't, and to criticize me, makes you a hypocrite. Open your mind a bit.
I'm not claiming to know everything. But you'd be hard pressed to come up with an "event" as relatively common as holocaust deniers that I have not heard of. Not that there's none out there...there might very well be. But then, of course, since (by definition) I would be unaware of it...I can't think of any . Besides, this sort of thing (holocaust deniers) has been all over the place the last few months. Missing it completely is amazing.

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Taz
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Message 24 of 96 (432815)
11-08-2007 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by riVeRraT
11-08-2007 10:04 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
I'd have to agree with fliesonly here. Holocaust deniers aren't just some people that are in the background. They're actually very visible. They always make sure that everyone around them know they are holocaust deniers (sort of like the holier than thou thing I guess). They are everywhere. Mel Gibson's father is one of the more well known holocaust deniers out there. But even among ordinary people, I personally know quite a few proud holocaust deniers, all of them denying they have some kind of anti-semetic view.
This is one of those things where I just don't think it's possible for someone to miss unless this someone hasn't been watching the news at all. You can even tune to a random radio station and hear about them.
But if you really did miss all the prominent holocaust deniers, please tell me you've heard of the movement Neo-Nazism.
For example, one time I decided to go to a different barber for once. I stopped in at a random barber shop in town and had my hair cut. While sitting there, I had a conversation with the barber, which was in his 40's. I don't know how this came up, but the country Vietnam came up in our conversation. He then asked me "wasn't there some kind of war there?"
Riverrat, not knowing about holocaust deniers is like not knowing that America once fought an unofficial war in Vietnam. You just can't/don't miss a thing like that.
Other facts that a person should know (off the top of my head):
-The Great War 1914-1919
-Otto Van Bismark
-WW2 1939-1945
-Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941
-D-day...Normandy Beach...Hitler got fooled big time... thought main landing was in Greece
-Fat Man (plutonium) and Little Boy (uranium)
-etc.
These are things a person should know. I'm sure there are plenty other obvious facts. The point is you just don't go through life not knowing these things. It's weird.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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kuresu
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Message 25 of 96 (432821)
11-08-2007 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Taz
11-08-2007 11:49 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
Check your dates on the Great War. It did not end in 1919. This assumes you're not talking about the war in Russia (and even then you'd have the wrong date I believe)

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Chiroptera
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Message 26 of 96 (432822)
11-08-2007 12:56 PM
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11-08-2007 12:54 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
It also hasn't been called "the Great War" in at least 60 years.

Computers have cut-and-paste functions. So does right-wing historical memory. -- Rick Perlstein

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Taz
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Message 27 of 96 (432827)
11-08-2007 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by kuresu
11-08-2007 12:54 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
Ok, smartass, it ended in 1918 instead of 1919. I just looked at wiki again, you dumbass. Seize fire was on november 11, 1918. But formally the war continued for another 7 months before the peace treaty at versailles, you twit. HAW HAW HAW! I WAS RIGHT!
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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kuresu
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Message 28 of 96 (432828)
11-08-2007 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Taz
11-08-2007 1:43 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
All right, then the war as far as the US was concerned wasn't over until 1923, because we didn't sign the Treaty of Versailles.
That means, technically, we were at war with Germany until 1923.
I can't find the exact date right now (wiki being no help), so I'm saying 1923 tentatively.
For Russia the war ended in 1917.

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Message 29 of 96 (432840)
11-08-2007 4:17 PM
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11-08-2007 11:49 AM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
Other facts that a person should know (off the top of my head):
-The Great War 1914-1919
-Otto Van Bismark
-WW2 1939-1945
-Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941
-D-day...Normandy Beach...Hitler got fooled big time... thought main landing was in Greece
-Fat Man (plutonium) and Little Boy (uranium)
-etc.
This might make an interesting topic.

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Taz
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Message 30 of 96 (432845)
11-08-2007 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by bluescat48
11-08-2007 4:17 PM


Re: Holocaust Deniers
What, facts that everyone should know?
PS Here is another fact that everyone should know, but apparently Ann Coulter didn't know. Canada was never in Vietnam.
Other facts that everyone should know (again, off the top of my head).
-1975 South Vietnamese surrendered
-Beatles were great
-War of the worlds radio event created a nation wide panick
-Hindenburg disaster happened because they used hydrogen instead of helium
-Pie is better than cake
-Martin Luther King
-Nation of Islam (non-Arabic)
-Mister Rogers
-Sesame Street
-The Wiggles
-Raymon Carver
-Yoda
-Darth Vader
-Emperor Palpatine
-Dark side of the force
-USS Enterprise
-Millenium Falcon
If you don't know any of these, I advice psychiatric help.

Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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