boasts of Athiests II

The quality of truth does not apply to things or beings, Jar. It applies to statements.I cannot say that a stone lying in the street is either true or false.Truth has to do with opinions only. Your opinion that your experience was valuable was purely subjective and therefore meaningless--objectively speaking.

Okay Robin. So "Truth has to do with opinions only" but my opinion was meaningless. Gottcha.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What I meant was your opinion has no truth-value. Of course it matters to you, just as my subjective ideas matter to me. I have a lot of those, as everyone does. For example, I have this opinion that I am a fine fellow. Purely subjective, of course.

You keep saying stuff like that. Then you say that it mattered to me. What possible difference does it make whether it is subjective or objective?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Truth is a meta statement about the utility or fitness of an abstraction, a symbolic notation. Yes? maybe we can go somewhere with this?The sensory system is another system for abstraction. The retina is not sensitive to the full spectrum, neither the ear, the nose etc. We experience aspects of reality, aspects of the stone.We have symbolic abstractions, the map: language, math, or art.
We have sensory abstractions from the senses: sight, sound, smell, feel, etc.Is there anything else? What could objectivity mean for these systems?lfenFlashed on this:My love she speaks like silence,
Without ideals or violence,
She doesn't have to say she's faithful,
Yet she's true, like ice, like fire.
People carry roses,
Make promises by the hours,
My love she laughs like the flowers,
Valentines can't buy her.Bob Dylan "Love minus zero/ no limit"Edited by lfen, : No reason given.

So hard to figure out what your problem is.Personal or subjective value/opinion = no truth value.
Personal or subjective value/opinion = matters to the person who holds it
Personal or subjective value/opinion = matters to person and has no truth value.
Objective value or statement = truth value, matters in itself apart from who holds it.Does that help?

Thank you for saying this.

If an objective value or statement fell down in the middle of the universe and no one was around to see it, would it have any truth value?

Why?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yes. It is what it is apart from who recognizes it.

It may make no difference to your views, but it makes a difference as regards the truth of the proposition. Just because you think the experience was valuable doesn't mean that it was valuable. For all we know, it might have been harmful to humanity at large or even to you. Your opinion that it was valuable was subjective. It was not an idea logically derived. It was emotionally derived.Just because you have nice feelings doesn't mean that the proposition was true. One might have nice feelings by thinking, "God's in his heaven, all's right with the world." That does not mean that God is in fact in heaven and that in fact all's right with the world.

Yes, you do keep saying stuff like that, but what does it mean?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

How are you able to do a qualitative analysis of truth, I mean that sounds exactly what you are doing anyways. It sounds like you are ranking truth value based upon how applicable a truth is, be it to a solitary person, group, or universally?What is a context that would give rise to an objective truth? What situations or what is an objective truth? I mean give an example because what has been said about objective truths is that everyone can come to the same meaning.So specifically what is an example of an objective truth, and how is it an objective truth? And for comparison what is an example of a subjective truth?You've made refrences in other posts to sujbective truths could you please either make a new one or place a link to it so everyone can see how you've placed your train of thought vs saying taken care of in other posts?

So for a truth to be onjective it has to be true apart from those who recognize it.So then you mean I can say red is superior to blue, and irregardless of who disagrees I could possibly be espousing an objective truth?Or I could say that learning is an objective truth inherent in life, irregardless of who disagrees with it, could it still be an objective truth?Can objective truths be disagreed with?

Sometimes just observing something can change it.