should IUD's be considered instruments of murder?

Let's focus on this for a minute.You consider a zygote a "child"?Why?

how is going to the doctor and paying for a medical procedure not taking responsibility for my actions?why do you want children to be a "consequence" of "irresponsibility"? do you think that results in loving parents and healthy homes for these children?

Heh, I looked it up in my gut

more than half of women who have abortions were using birth control methods when they conceived. and those who weren't, about 30% of them were at low risk because they were breast-feeding, or some other thing. there are lots of natural things that reduce your fertility. for example, i have a friend who has epilepsy and her medications are supposed to sterilize her. they failed to do so, despite her not having a cycle in some long period of time. she had been on the pill but it was making her ill and she was in the process of changing methods. she was supposed to be sterile. was she being irresponsible?now. linear ag thinks he has a right to judge whether they were all using them properly or not, but his statistics didn't bear it out. so. what evidence do you have that women are being irresponsible?

ugh, there's your reading problem acting up again.By being held responsible, I meant not having an abortion.

not having an abortion means she'll have a child.why do you want children to be a "consequence" of "irresponsibility"? do you think that results in loving parents and healthy homes for these children?

And of those half, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users reported using their method inconsistently.Only 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users reported correct use. And that is just 'reporting' correct use, not verified correct use.So, yeah, that's not what I would call being extra careful. There goes you bitchness firing off again. I was following that discussion and Linear Ag was correct while you had misread your own source.See above. Most of them were not using it properly, as your source says.So, what makes you a bitch is that you feel like you are capable of knowing what he thinks and then go so far as to accuse him of thinking what you think he thinks. My evidence is the same evidence that you are incapable of reading correctly.Access Denied | Guttmacher Institute

Can you be more specific?Tarring 48 million women as "sociopaths" certainly deserves a considered response.

CS, if you are going to question the Guttmacher stats, you need to be consistent.You can't cite one self-reported Guttmacher stat and use it as proof and then in the next breath critique another self-reported Guttmacher stat.You can't have it both ways.The fact is:No method of birth control is 100% (not even tubal ligation).Responsible, birth-control-using women get pregnant.

Actually I don't remember seeing any posted on EvC. I think I remember a link to an offsite picture, but not right within the messages. Maybe I just missed it. If so, I'd ask they be moved off too. Sometimes I'm trying to eat while reading posts.

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Yeah, I guess you're right. But which do you think is more likely: Reporting that you misused it while you actually used it correctly, or reporting that you used it correctly when you really weren't? I don't think that they don't. But its not over half of them.

ok. so. should those 13 and 14% respectively be forced to have children that result through the natural, normal failure of those methods?how about people who use more permanent methods? if my depo fails, should i be forced to bring my pregnancy to term? a pregnancy i can't afford to pay for? remember, babies are expensive before they're born, too.

Don't waffle. Accept both, reject both. Fine. 13% of 1.29 million then. That's still 167,700 women who, thru no "fault" of their own, got pregnant.Should they be forced to give birth?And I would like an answer to my other post, please.Why is a zygote a "child"?Don't puss out, CS. Give me something better than "Cause I say so."

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Wow, you're the stupidest bitch I've seen in a while. You're so fucking retarded that you can't even comprehend what I'm saying.
And then to tell me that I think something that I don't.

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Fuck you and piss off.

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Get out of my thread.

Yep! What! Condoms weren't available at the local WalMart? LinearAq (Lima,India,November,Echo,Alpha,Romeo,Alpha,Quebec... ) doesn't have the right to judge, it just seems to be interpreted that way. I provided a link to the CDC's conclusions, not my interpretation of them. Your dismissal of those conclusions does not constitute a refutation even in Coffee House.