should IUD's be considered instruments of murder?

This is typical behaviour for you, CS. You're too quick on the draw. You jump into a topic without thinking about it and blaze away in all directions. When you run out of ammunition, which is soon, you throw your guns, throw a tantrum and run away.Stay cool.Pick your targets. If you can't hit 'em, swearing at 'em won't kill 'em either.

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Disclaimer: The above statement is without a doubt, the most LUDICROUS, IDIOTIC AND PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WILLFUL STUPIDITY, THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN OR HEARD.

I realy only had one point to make.I end up blazing away in all directions because my opponents always tie a bunch of extra crap to what I'm actually saying.They attach positions to mine that I haven't taken and them I'm defending myself against taking those positions, to which they add more and it snowballs.It seems you can't make a point without someone putting other words into your mouth.

and what was that? that making safe medical procedures illegal won't prevent women from stabbing at themselves with coathangers? do you even begin to understand the kind of desperation it would take to do that? do you even begin to understand that maybe, just maybe, this is the best decision for some women? do you think that maybe they're so desperate because they really are making the right decision and you seeking to prevent them from being able to do so in a way that won't leave them bleeding to death on the floor is just malicious?why do you think you're better at making this decision than they are?why don't you see that that's what you're saying? that to support the criminalization of abortion means that you think you know better than they do?Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

That criminalizing abortion doesn't force birth. Now I know for sure you can't read because I said that abortion should not be criminalized.

and yet it does. you know. unless you get to peer into every woman's bedroom to make sure they're not having sex. where?and, okay. now, was that really worth all that nasty name-calling?

CS, let's sidestep the responsibility issue for a moment, shall we?What of a woman who is impregnated by her rapist?Is she required to carry it to term?

I'm sorry but, what is the responsibility issue? What do you mean? Abortion is legal so she is not required to carry it to term. Rape has nothing to do wiht it.What are you asking?

If I understand your position correctly, a woman can choose to not have sex.Should she choose to have sex, then any pregnancy is her fault/responsibility.Furthermore, were abortion made illegal, a woman with an unintended, unwanted pregnancy would have 2 choices:1. Break the law and obtain an illegal abortion (self induced or backalley).
2. Carry the pregnancy to term.My question to you remains:If a woman were impregnated by her rapist, should she be compelled to carry it to term?

If I say no then I'll be accused of wanting to punish sluts, which I don't care to do.But, no.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

If you say "no", then a woman who has been impregnated by her rapist has the right to abort.How is this "punishing sluts"?

If you assume that the answer would be "yes" if she wasn't raped.

OK.If a woman is not raped, she does not have the right to abort.If a woman is raped, she has the right to abort.Is that a fair summary?And if that is the case, your only problem with abortion is the one of "responsibility", is that correct?You haven't any problem with "killing The Precious Baby™"?

well, is it?

No. Again, I'm not advocating that women be prevented from having abortions.However, I do think it is morally wrong.On the side, I don't see aborton as a medical procedure as a "right". Its more of a convenience. I think it is less morally wrong if she is raped, because she was forced to be pregnant, it was not her "fault", so to speak. No. The problem is that you're murdering your own child. Its sociopathic and disgusting.If our society wants it outlawed, then so be it. That won't force women to give birth, it will, though, make them need to be extra careful with the sex they are having sex.If you don't have a choice with the sex, then there should be another way out of it.It seems that people want to not have to be extra careful with the sex they are having, so they need something to fall back on when their irresposibility backfires.Its a lot harder to be responsible in the first place, so a post hoc solution to the problem is appealing.If our society wants it legal, then that's fine too. I won't ever have to get an abortion.

Being required to take responsibility for your actions is not being punished.