Let's face it...

Marriage is outdated.
Have sex with whomever you wish with anyone who you desire and he/she desires you...simply because you are horny...Relationships in the classical sense are absolete. With women becoming independent, men are only needed for sex and other physical exercises, as are women...Companionship is only needed on a temporary basis every day, and sex is the ONLY major reason people still seek "relationships."Let's face it, making promises to be faithful to one mate is unnatural, and barbaric.Marriage is a stupid sacrifice. If you love someone, you should encourage that he/she be free to explore and enjoy sex with whomever he/she wants. Love in itself is an antique form of emotion. Only weak people still "fall in love."What is love? A desire to get sexed, plain and simple, a feeling of a need to ensure sex availability.Relationships should be ONLY about sex and friendship with no strings attached. Don't you agree?

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Relationships should be ONLY about sex and friendship with no strings attached. Don't you agree?>>

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No, I don't agree.

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Your view of what love is is quite shallow. Since the love between a parent and a child or between siblings do not involve sex, yet can be intensely strong, deeply connected, fulfilling and emotionally-supportive, your idea that this should not happen in other relationships is flawed.

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"Traditional marriage" and "free love with no deeper connection" are not the only two choices, either. Marriage as our parents knew it is outdated for me, personally, so I have a radically different type of marriage. It is like that because my husband and I made it that way.

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I agree that marriage is probably not for everyone, but I strongly disagree that we are shallow, impulse-driven creatures with no capacity to connect with another person at a deep emotional level-deeper than merely physical contact.

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Allison

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Marriage as our parents knew it is outdated for me, personally, so I have a radically different type of marriage.

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I'm intrigued, to say the least. Is it that your mother was a homemaker while you're a career woman, or something more dramatic?--Percy

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Originally posted by ChristianityExposed.Com:
Love in itself is an antique form of emotion. Only weak people still "fall in love."

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imo, 'falling in love' is one of the most courageous things that a person can do, simply because of the risks involved and the fact that its one of the most vulnerable states a person can be in.
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action without thought is anarchy, thought without action is stasis, action and thought result in change.

Hi Percy!I finally made it here, and in browsing back through old messages, I came across this question you put to me:"I'm intrigued, to say the least. Is it that your mother was a homemaker while you're a career woman, or something more dramatic?"I'm not sure whay your're imagining, Percy, (wink).Seriously, though, my marriage is different because of the relaxed-to-nonexistent gender role thing, for one. It has less to do with WHAT we do, and more to do with the expectations of who is "supposed" to do what, or who feels responsible for task X.Jim doesn't expect to never do the laundry, and I don't expect to never wash the car or kill a spider. That kind of thing.Also, my husband and I are really friends, and we work on our marriage. We stay together because we want to, not because we have to because of a religion.Mostly I have a different marriage because I work on being a happy fulfilled person, and that is something my parents, particularly my mother, never seemed to be able to be.Ah, well. I broke the cycle, and that is what is important.Does that answer things for you, Percy?Allison------------------
"Never trust something that thinks for itself if you can't see where it keeps it's brain"--Mr. Weasley

Hi Allison,Yes, that answers things, but I'm ashamed to admit I was thinking more along the lines of hot tubs and scuba gear. --Percy

Shame, shame on you, Percy!OTOH, it's kind of nice to be thought of as exotic.My husband and I have been in both hot tubs and snorkeling gear, although not at the same time.Does that count?LOL!Allison

Sex was ment to be an emotionally attaching event designed to bond two people together (a man and a woman.) However when people use it just to forfill a lustfull desire it loosing it's meaning until the whole point of a relationship looses it's meaning. I believe this is why God created STD's - to punish those who abuse his gift of sex.

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[This message has been edited by redstang281, 12-11-2001]

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Sex was meant to be an emotionally attaching event designed to bond two people together (a man and a woman.) However when people use it just to fulfill a lustful desire it loosing it's meaning until the whole point of a relationship looses it's meaning. I believe this is why God created STD's - to punish those who abuse his gift of sex.

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Oh that was nice of him. Im sure that's a huge consolation to the children born with aids "heh I may be well and truly buggered but at least I know that God punished my parents for adultery..."Come to mention it what about the faithful spouse who contracts something nasty because their partner strayed? They didnt do any wrong but they get punished anyway....Hmmmmm...Mate your talking out of your arse, two of the qualities you religious buggers claim for the big fella are Omnicogniscience (all knowing) and omnibenevolence (all caring).Im sure you see the logical problem with insisting that such a God created
STDs......Oh and I had plenty of sex before I met my wife and I never even got a sniffle so tell your (omnipotent) God he missed next time you talk to him.....Oh and make use of the spell checker before posting please....

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Sex was ment to be an emotionally attaching event designed to bond two people together (a man and a woman.) However when people use it just to forfill a lustfull desire it loosing it's meaning until the whole point of a relationship looses it's meaning

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Oh and Given that:a)My relationship with my wife started with a drunken one night stand.b)3 years later we are happily marriedyour assertion that "whole point of a relationship looses it's meaning." can presumably be discarded unless it is for the special case where the whole relationship is based on sexual tension anyway.....In which case having sex early in a relationship is a good thing as it will expose purely physical attractions for what they are....

""Oh that was nice of him. Ima sure that's a huge consolation to the children born with aids "heh I may be well and truly buggered but at least I know that God punished my parents for adultery...""Come to mention it what about the faithful spouse who contracts something nasty because their partner strayed? They didn't do any wrong but they get punished anyway....Hmmmmm...Mate your talking out of your arse, two of the qualities you religious buggers claim for the big fellow are Omnicogniscience (all knowing) and omnibenevolence (all caring).I'm sure you see the logical problem with insisting that such a God created
STDs......"I'm not judging you on the courses of your life as I am sure I have followed some that I regret. God cursed man when man sinned. When man judges God, God does not always fit the definition of fair, but it is not in our place to judge God. He has a reason for doing everything that he does. In everyone's life bad things are going to happen, just as good things will. The bad things will always be attributed to Adam and Eve's sinning which is a perfect example of everyone in the human race. The bible says no one is innocent of sin. So when you say "this person didn't do anything wrong" that is not true from a Christian perspective. Most atheist make the mistake of assuming the bible is trying to say that God makes life perfect(no disease, no pain.. etc.) While it is true that God did make life perfect in the beginning, man destroyed that perfection. What the bible is saying is that heaven is perfect, all things residing in heaven are perfect, and the only way that an imperfect man can get into heaven is through the perfect savior Jesus Christ."Oh and make use of the spell checker before posting please.... "Is this an attempt to intimidate me through my spelling mistakes and make me feel less intelligent?Please don't resort to that level. I'm not attacking you, just explaining things from a Christian perspective. I would hope that you would appreciate my replies.

Oh and Given that:a)My relationship with my wife started with a drunken one night stand.b)3 years later we are happily marriedyour assertion that "whole point of a relationship looses it's meaning." can presumably be discarded unless it is for the special case where the whole relationship is based on sexual tension anyway.....In which case having sex early in a relationship is a good thing as it will expose purely physical attractions for what they are....I believe it is better to focus sex on the relationship instead of the relationship on sex. I believe sex is supposed to compliment the relationship and be a special thing that you can share only with your partner. Some people have focus so much on the sexual side that they have given up completely on the relationship side. Those people then move from person to person without care of who they are but only the gratification they receive. I believe the reason for God's law against adultery is both to protect us from the STD's, the repercussions(to children of cheating parents) and also to help us receive his gift of a sex. Many would agree that sex is much more rewarding when it is with someone who knows and loves you. I believe this is how God intended sex to be.

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I'm not judging you on the courses of your life

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Wow that's nice of you.

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as I am sure I have followed some that I regret. God cursed man when man sinned. When man judges God, God does not always fit the definition of fair, but it is not in our place to judge God. He has a reason for doing everything that he does. In everyone's life bad things are going to happen, just as good things will. The bad things will always be attributed to Adam and Eve's sinning which is a perfect example of everyone in the human race. The bible says no one is innocent of sin. So when you say "this person didn't do anything wrong" that is not true from a Christian perspective. Most atheist make the mistake of assuming the bible is trying to say that God makes life perfect(no disease, no pain.. etc.) While it is true that God did make life perfect in the beginning, man destroyed that perfection. What the bible is saying is that heaven is perfect, all things residing in heaven are perfect, and the only way that an imperfect man can get into heaven is through the perfect savior Jesus Christ.

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Im sorry but arguing that an unborn child has already sinned and deserves to be born with aids isnt terribly convincing as evidence of an omnibenevolent big fella....

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Please don't resort to that level. I'm not attacking you, just explaining things from a Christian perspective. I would hope that you would appreciate my replies.

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I was just pointing out the availability of a spell checker.I hope you asked Santa for some thicker skin.....

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Oh that was nice of him. Im sure that's a huge consolation to the children born with aids...

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So when you say "this person didn't do anything wrong" that is not true from a Christian perspective.

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I think the important question here is, "Would a malevolent God behave any differently?"--Percy

"Im sorry but arguing that an unborn child has already sinned and deserves to be born with aids isnt terribly convincing as evidence of an omnibenevolent big fella...."The world is no longer perfect. That is because of man, not because of God."I hope you asked Santa for some thicker skin....."I probably should ask Santa, because evolution won't help. Sorry, low blow I know Just a joke.