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Message 121 of 151 (462249)
04-01-2008 8:16 PM
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04-01-2008 3:21 PM


Re: Moderator Request
I forgot the "Please, no replies" note this time. I've been hoping it would become unnecessary after a while. Anyway, there is no longer any debating with moderators at EvC Forum.
My invitation of a topic proposal on another topic was definitely not an invitation to begin discussing that topic here. Please stop discussing it.
You have been off-topic in a large percentage of your posts since your return. There are apparently many things you'd like to discuss for which we currently have no active threads. The remedy is simple: propose new threads. If you continue to post off-topic in threads, the remedy is also simple: I'll suspend you. Whatever the length was last time, I'll make it longer this time.
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Message 122 of 151 (462253)
04-01-2008 10:03 PM
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04-01-2008 3:26 PM


randman writes
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These types of weapons have definitely been developed and deployed though the media reports mention it's more for non-lethal crowd control.
You're thinking of using soundwaves as crowd control, not microwave. The military currently have several such devices that would produce sound that is just right below the upper critical thresthold of the human ear. They don't really do permanent damage to your ears (hopefully at least) but they do annoy the hell out of you, though.
Microwave is an entirely different beast. It literally vibrates the water molecules in your body and cook you from inside out. The downside to this is in order to make this into any kind of practical weapon they need a power source that is far more powerful and compact than what they currently have.
This is true for lazer weapons as well. The military has possessed star wars style lazer weapons for a very long time now, over a decade at least. They can literally target and shoot down artillery shells and short range missiles with these lazer canons. You can't actually see the lazer itself because it's in the infrared part of the spectrum. But the biggest problem they ran into and haven't been able to solve is the power source. Especially when they want to make their weapon mobile, each lazer canon would have to pull with it a whole power station for just one shot. That's extremely impractical.
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What's scarier are the reports of scalar weapons (Tesla-type technology).
Again, these kinds of weapons work just fine in short range, like a few feet away. Any such weapon for practical military purposes that could strike a target at a reasonable distance away requires ridiculously high yield power source that is also impractically compact. This is why our military still mainly uses projectile weaponry and rocket propelled missile.

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Message 123 of 151 (462258)
04-02-2008 1:04 AM
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04-01-2008 10:03 PM


Actually, I am thinking of microwave. It does vibrate the water molecules, and I am sure can be made lethal quite easily.
The military does engage close range in urban warfare making these weapons useful.
The power problem is an interesting one, probably for another thread. There is power all around us all the time, massive amounts of power in fact.

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Message 124 of 151 (462260)
04-02-2008 1:13 AM
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04-01-2008 10:03 PM


fyi
fyi on non-lethal microwave weapons.....and in the future, please don't claim I don't know what I am talking about with respect to evolution or pretty much anything else.....if you really understand my argument and points, to the point you can argue them as effectively as I could, and you find some area where I am wrong, then please by all means show me that, but just saying I don't understand evolution is offensive, especially when you didn't appear to grasp my point.
Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System (V-MADS)
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Message 125 of 151 (462261)
04-02-2008 1:15 AM
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04-02-2008 1:04 AM


Not meaning to barge in between you two, but I have to respond to this.
randman writes:
The power problem is an interesting one, probably for another thread. There is power all around us all the time, massive amounts of power in fact.
Yes, there are massive sources of potential energy all around us. The problem is how to convert these potential energy sources into usable forms of energy. Technically speaking, the monitor you are reading this message from contains enough energy to destroy the city you are living in. Just send a few anti-matter its way and BOOM!
But you see, things are not that simple. Tapping into these sources of "free" energy is the real challenge. If it were that simple, I'm sure someone would have figured out a way to exploit all the free potential energy all around us without having to resort to fossil fuel.
Actually, now that I think about it, people did figure out a way to tap into these free sources of energy. It's called slavery if you know what I mean.
Actually, I am thinking of microwave. It does vibrate the water molecules, and I am sure can be made lethal quite easily.
I saw you said earlier that microwave could be used for crowd control. How exactly does this work? Are you suggesting we cook an angry crowd alive as a method of crowd control? Haha, not to sound sadistic, but that part actually gave me an amusing mental image.
The military does engage close range in urban warfare making these weapons useful.
Hahaha. Ya, and the 5 ton battery they have to carry along to power these weapons...

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Message 126 of 151 (462263)
04-02-2008 1:22 AM
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04-02-2008 1:15 AM


It's a different thread....maybe an energy and conspiracy thread altogether, but there is reason Edison is a name more known than Tesla, and believe me, it's not because Edison was right and Tesla wrong.
With the internet though, it seems there is revival of a bit of truth and Tesla is becoming more well-known.

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Message 127 of 151 (462264)
04-02-2008 1:23 AM
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04-02-2008 1:15 AM


Hahaha. Ya, and the 5 ton battery they have to carry along to power these weapons...
It's not my fault you don't keep up with these things and so straight-out reality is laughable to you.

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Message 128 of 151 (462266)
04-02-2008 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by randman
04-02-2008 1:23 AM


The straight out reality is we are no where near the technological level for these lazer and microwave handheld weapons to be of any practical use. The best thing we have right now is a stunt gun that shoots out a projectile carrying a high yield charge to bring down a person. Energy based weapons consume a ridiculous amount of energy that they would probably require mini-nuclear power generators attached to their rear ends. If it were that simple, we would have done away with projectile weaponry already.
But to be fair, can you give me a few links to these wondrous weapons you are speaking of?

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Message 129 of 151 (462267)
04-02-2008 1:39 AM
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04-02-2008 1:30 AM


The straight out reality is we are no where near the technological level for these lazer and microwave handheld weapons to be of any practical use.
I can't tell if you had enough sense to take 2 minutes and google this to know you are wrong, and so are moving the goal-posts and claiming "hand-held" weapons is the discussion (when no one mentioned hand-head weapons), or you are just uninformed.
Here are your links. It will be interesting to see if you acknowledge you were wrong here.
Vehicle-Mounted Active Denial System (V-MADS)
GoDaddy Security - Access Denied
Page has gone | New Scientist
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/headl...
It's weird because this is common knowledge among anyone following these sorts of things. It's been widely publicized and anyone can see these articles by simply googling it up.
Why don't you admit you were wrong now?

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Message 130 of 151 (462268)
04-02-2008 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by randman
04-02-2008 1:39 AM


Off-topic content deleted by moi. I'll stop now.
Nevermind, too itchy.
randman writes:
It's weird because this is common knowledge among anyone following these sorts of things. It's been widely publicized and anyone can see these articles by simply googling it up.
I never denied that these weapons were not possible. You were the one that said these could be used in close combat urban areas. That's impractical. Notice how big these "vehicle" weapons are. Notice that they have not actually deployed them at all. It sounds to me like they are running into the same problem with the lazer technology 2 decades ago. There was a big hype about it back then. People were even talking about deploying these lazer weapons as a defense against close range missile as well as ICBM attacks. Guess what, they ran into the same problem that I've been trying to point out to you. These energy weapons require a lot of energy, and trying to provide a power supply for them is an impractical matter.
I'm a history freak. I've seen too many examples of wonder weapons that turned out to be just a big hype by the media. Until I actually see them deployed in the real world and in a practical sense, I remain a skeptic.
PS - Notice how old these articles are. They're from 2004 and 2005, and we still haven't heard any real development in these areas.
Note that since this is off topic, I will not be replying anymore. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. The day that they actually deploy these in real world situation you will see me with my mouth in my foot.
Good night.
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Message 131 of 151 (462269)
04-02-2008 1:57 AM
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04-02-2008 1:52 AM


I'd say it was amazing, but then again.....it appears you are unaware that vehicles are involved in close range combat.
If you read the articles, you would see they are used in right now in real world situations and don't need to drag an entire power plant but as the articles state, they can use generators specially developed and mobile....but why am I bothering..

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Message 132 of 151 (462288)
04-02-2008 8:54 AM
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04-02-2008 1:22 AM


Just an off-topic comment, but an energy and conspiracy thread would be a very good idea. Particularly one focused around Tesla and scalar electromagnetism stuff.

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Message 133 of 151 (462290)
04-02-2008 9:15 AM
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04-02-2008 1:13 AM


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From Message 124:
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...and in the future, please don't claim I don't know what I am talking about with respect to evolution or pretty much anything else...
From Message 127:
randman writes:
It's not my fault you don't keep up with these things and so straight-out reality is laughable to you.
So it's okay for you to suggest to someone else they don't know what they're talking about, but not for anyone to suggest the same to you.
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Please keep your discussion focused on the topic.
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Message 134 of 151 (462311)
04-02-2008 11:59 AM
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04-01-2008 3:15 PM


This is off-topic. Please, no replies. --Admin
I've studied it more than you think, Adequate, and while I don't buy it, I do think there are serious questions that have not been answered.
So perhaps from this voluminous study you could disgorge a few substantiated facts?
If having an open mind to truth and facts distinquishes people like me from evos, then I'll have to agree with you.
Thank you for reminding me of another aspect of the creo/CT overlap.
You have decided that the reason that I disagree with you is that I have a closed mind; whereas the reason that you disagree with me is that you have an open mind.
It's not just the creationists and the CTs, either. It's every other looney.
Take a look.
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Open-minded people believe that this guy travels to other astral planes : By day I am Dale, a normal 25 year old young man who works as a graphic designer. But at night I travel the different astral planes helping trapped souls who don't realise they are dead... I soon learnt the hard way that most people only mock me and have very closed minds, so I 'protect' myself now by being careful with what I say! People are scared.
Open-minded people believe that aliens built the pyramids : Nearly every day new and startling theories and discoveries are being made about the pyramids in Egypt. These theories shake the foundations of nearly all science and history. Yet, many are still resistant, and cling to old, closed-minded notions that the Egyptians were capable of building these massive monuments. Due to the lack of any firm historical record, such as photographs, we must go beyond the tired ideas of the past and move forward in our understanding of these structures and the beings that created them. So who--or what--really created the pyramids? Certainly not the humans in Egypt at the time! There is no possible way such a backward and ignorant people could move such material into a structure, much less plan the building of it. So we are left with only one alternative. Aliens. Some people scoff at this idea, but it is today widely accepted by scientists and historians that aliens from other planets created the pyramids. Despite the few who still refuse to accept this fact, universities around the world are abuzz with talk of the new realization. Now that scholars widely accept that aliens built the pyramids, that controversy is dying down, promoting new opportunities to explore why the aliens built the pyramids. University professors around the world agree that this is the new fertile ground for investigation, and they have begun to take a hard look at the alien motivation that provided mankind with such wonders.
Open-minded people await the coming of the Rider from the secret place : The new era is coming; the new ideals, the new civilization, the new modes of life, of education, of religious presentation and of government are slowly precipitating and naught can stop them. They can, however, be delayed by the reactionary types of people, by the ultra-conservative and closed minds, and by those who cling with adamantine determination to their beloved theories, their dreams and their visions, their interpretations and their peculiar and oft narrow understanding of the presented ideals... It is humanity alone which can precipitate the new incoming energies from the Lords of Liberation and make possible Their activity on Earth. It is humanity alone which can open the door on to the physical plane for the Rider from the secret place. The stupendous inner Potencies can reach certain levels of human activity and contact, such as the mental plane, but their further progress downward into outer expression, power and manifestation, is dependent upon the potent, magnetic, indrawing power of man himself.
Open-minded people believe in astrology and the tarot : Defending The Ideas Against Closed Minds... Astrology and tarot, to name but two, are separate traditions and disciplines in their own right, much older than what we now call the New Age. Readings performed by an expert are the result of years of deep study and, denying all but intuitive logic, are remarkably accurate. True astrology has got nothing to do with newspaper columns; it is a skilful discipline of perception and observation that can only be appreciated if one takes the time to consult an expert rather than condemning from afar.
Open-minded people believe in teleporting nuns : As to motivation, what is known is that the young nun's intense desire to save human life, or what was even more important to her --- souls --- preceded her teleportations. Certainly ours is not a time for closed minds but to "be prepared to give up any preconceived notion".
Open-minded people believe that God exists at the Grand Unification Energy... or something : Matter of fact, its impossible for Him to lose power, even if mass He created is destroyed. So anyway, his equation, shows the invisible can produce the visible. All the physical world comes from forces, therefore it is logical that at High Planck energies there is only one force, ONE LAW. This is what scientists are working on right now except that when they leave out the Creator of Everything, they are unable to solve this most basic of all equations, because of their closed minds.
Open-minded people believe in "an entity called Kyron" : Is there indeed some way of reaching those behind the iron curtain of their own closed minds? Is there a fashion, a means of addressing the opening of ideas that others would not otherwise see, unless cajoled? ... Then I came upon a curious and obscure author writing about an entity called Kryon. Kryon challenged humans to develop three-dimensional thought. To create structures based on three dimensions, not the traditional two. As all these ideas grew together in the garden of my being, I returned to that ancient cryptic glyph, and I suddenly saw it with new eyes. What would a three dimensional qabala look like? So I drew one.
Open-minded people believe in Noel Huntley's Theory of One, free energy, the Fractal Matrix... : There are increases in chaos and fear, and a severe clash of low and high vibrations, leading to the anticipated division within our species of those who will align with the incrementing evolutionary energies and those who will choose not to go with the changes. From the scientific standpoint, until these energies are directly sensed by the evolving perceptions of the individual, via the right brain, inner-conscious, intuitive faculties, scientists will never grasp the true workings of the universe's ubiquitous computer system (and the solely left-brain thinker will not understand this statement). Higher truth will be lost in the limited context of objectivity... Thus our society, in general, is being directed towards closed systems: closed technologies, closed minds, and a closed 3D framework or external world.
Open-minded people believe in Atlantis, ley lines, etc : Established scientists typically only remain established, and in good favor, if they abandon all scientific thought which drew them to the profession in the first place; instead maintaining a closed mind towards everything except exactly what they're looking for - and only what their previous well thought out calculations have said must exist... Ley lines are subtle yet strong rays of natural energy, intersecting at various points on the surface of the Earth, called Nodes - on which, curiously enough, are nearly every imaginable ancient sacred site yet discovered... One favorite explanation, the fairly obvious, is that there are politically powerful Secret Societies who are not only in charge of major world governments, but are also in possession of a vast, ancient, secret knowledge - the very same that is brought down to the level of foolishness via ridicule at every emergence. A great many historical events would explain themselves, and connections would be made, if such a civilization as Atlantis existed, and their wisdom and technology was not lost after all; but instead closely guarded by a select group of people that has since become corrupt, sometime in the last 13,000 years.
Open-minded people believe that breathing exercises allow travel to the "next universe" : Mer-Ka-Ba means the Spirit/Body surrounded by counter-rotating fields of Light and is a vehicle to transport one's Spirit/Body from one dimension into another using the Basic 25 Breath Merkaba Activation Meditation, or into the next universe when combined with the Advanced Merkaba Techniques.
Open-minded people believe in extraterrestrial UFOs : Then there came speculations that my 'gift' of proven clairvoyance had something to do with the sightings and visits from extraterrestrial beings: intelligent beings from another world, which led me to write my recently published book, 'PowerGlide' ... It's not just a book about UFOs. It is a non-fiction work about my life of witnessing UFOs and of this life-long gift of ESP and clairvoyance, where I put the question, "Is this a 'God given gift,' or was there an Alien intervention?" ... But 'concrete proof' of Aliens from another world is coming--soon. Will we be ready to accept this 'proof' as intelligent beings ourselves? Or will we lock ourselves away into the decay of a closed minded society as most have done for thousands of years?
Open-minded people believe they can use a magic software package to compel other people to have sex with them :
Q: Can I get someone to fall in love with / have sex with me?
A: Sure can! You can use the EnchanterX software to cast any type of love/sex spell you can think of. Simply focus your attention on your target of choice while listening to the EnchanterX software and watch in amazement as this person's lust for you grows on a subconscious and uncontrollable level. Have you ever just all the sudden taken a liking to a person who has been there all along? You might just have been the victim of a Radionic Energy spell - but with EnchanterX you can be the master instead of the victim. Who would you go after first? Think about it...
Q: What if EnchanterX doesn't work for me?
A: No human mind is immune to it's effects. Our brains all work off the same frequencies, but if you are closed minded enough to repel it's effects then no worries - it comes with a 90 day money back guarantee so you can't lose
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Message 135 of 151 (462324)
04-02-2008 2:22 PM
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04-02-2008 8:54 AM


Son Goku writes:
Just an off-topic comment, but an energy and conspiracy thread would be a very good idea. Particularly one focused around Tesla and scalar electromagnetism stuff.
Agreed. I wish someone would propose one.

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