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subbie
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Message 91 of 151 (417918)
08-25-2007 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Chiroptera
08-25-2007 10:54 AM


Re: WTC
Lost probably thinks that Ocean's Eleven can just put on workmen's coveralls and walk into the front door carrying explosives in gym bags.
Get your facts straight, bud! It was S.W.A.T. gear, not workmen's coveralls.
Amateurs should not attempt pop culture references.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Chiroptera
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Message 92 of 151 (417919)
08-25-2007 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by subbie
08-25-2007 11:09 AM


Re: WTC
Content deleted.
If you have to explain the joke, then it probably wasn't funny to begin with.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 93 of 151 (418057)
08-26-2007 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by AnswersInGenitals
08-18-2007 8:47 PM


Re: The real conspiracy revealed!
AiG:
The actual destruction of the buildings was caused by explosive charges placed at strategic points that were triggered by a third party hiding behind the grassy knoll across from the WTC. This terrorist organization has perpetrated previous crimes against the US. Their one defining characteristic is the grassy knoll that they carry with them wherever they go to do their nefarious deeds.
Personally, I think that one grassy knoll, acting alone, accounts for everything.
Never trust those grassy knolls.

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nator
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Message 94 of 151 (418066)
08-26-2007 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by lost-apathy
08-18-2007 7:43 PM


I have read this thread with a great deal of amusement and wry delight.
I have only one thing to say.
Anybody who thinks that the 9/11 attacks were staged by Bush or others within the Executive branch of the US government is giving any of them far, far too much credit.

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nator
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Message 95 of 151 (418067)
08-26-2007 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Jack
08-20-2007 4:01 PM


quote:
So,,, 50th messages on why some clueless idiot has come to an idiotic conclusion on the basis of nothing,
Seriously, why do we bother?
For the fence-sitting lurkers, Mr. Jack.
It's always been about the lurkers.

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Chiroptera
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Message 96 of 151 (418150)
08-26-2007 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by nator
08-26-2007 8:26 AM


Actually, you gave an even better answer:
I have read this thread with a great deal of amusement and wry delight.
'Nuff said!

I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Nuggin
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Message 97 of 151 (418152)
08-26-2007 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by lost-apathy
08-19-2007 4:43 PM


there is a certain degree to which both scenarios can be true or false
Sigh. This is just like O'Reilly and the "the truth lies somewhere in the middle" bullcrap.
I'll give you an example.
I think you are retarded.
You claim you are not.
"There is a degree to which both are true"
Therefore you are somewhat retarded.
Guess what. In the real world, it's possible for one side to be completely right and one side to be completely wrong.
The 9/11 conspiracy theorists, like the Creationists, are completely wrong. They cherry pick "facts" (often unwittingly) and ignore the blatently obvious.
If you HONESTLY believe that there was some sort of GIANT conspiracy which has remained secret all this time, then you have some serious issues and no amount of reason or logic is going to dissuade you of your belief.

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Message 98 of 151 (418156)
08-26-2007 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Nuggin
08-26-2007 1:44 PM


Sigh. This is just like O'Reilly and the "the truth lies somewhere in the middle" bullcrap.
I'll give you an example.
I think you are retarded.
You claim you are not.
"There is a degree to which both are true"
Therefore you are somewhat retarded.
Guess what. In the real world, it's possible for one side to be completely right and one side to be completely wrong.
This is called the "Golden Mean fallacy." The idea that the "truth always lies somewhere in the middle" is plainly wrong. The Earth is not somewhat flat and somewhat spherical. The Earth does not somewhat revolve around the Sun and somewhat vice versa.
It's true that not everything has a middle ground (which is why there is also a black/white fallacy when there are more than the two presented options), but those who always say that the truth is somehow an average of the "two" sides are idiots.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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nator
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Message 99 of 151 (418199)
08-26-2007 10:22 PM


What about...
Flight United 93?
If all of this was a big conspiracy, what about the passengers who stormed the hijackers flying the plane which they then flew into the ground?

  
Archer Opteryx
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Message 100 of 151 (418289)
08-27-2007 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by lost-apathy
08-18-2007 7:43 PM


The title of this thread is hilarious.

Was the destruction of the twin towers scientifically possible on 9/11[?]

It was not only 'scientifically possible' for the towers to fall--it was possible, period. They did.
Our OP was out for the count before the conspiracy theory was even introduced.
___
Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev.
Edited by Archer Opterix, : brev.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 101 of 151 (432210)
11-04-2007 3:17 PM


I thought I'd just post this:
quote:
Christianity, my faith, may or may not be true and I'm not even going to go there.
However, Evolution has had so many instances of manufactured evidence to "prove" it actually occurred just as the US government or whoever manufactured certain evidence that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden carried out 9/11.
Hitler was a strong believer in evolution. He saw the Jews and blacks as species of humans that had more in common with monkeys than people.
I have some absolutely fascinating lectures i will copy and give to anybody interested that tears down the evolution myth with fact just as we tear down the official story of 9.11 with our facts.
Here.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 102 of 151 (432211)
11-04-2007 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Dr Adequate
11-04-2007 3:17 PM


You have a broken link.. care to fix it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 103 of 151 (432212)
11-04-2007 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by ramoss
11-04-2007 3:21 PM


Thank you. 'Tis fixed.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 104 of 151 (432285)
11-05-2007 2:42 AM


The Second Law Of Thermodynamics Proves CTs Are Right
Oh yes it does, it does ...
Anyone familiar with the EvC debate will recall the Great Thermodynamics Debacle.
Well, here's the "9/11 Truth" version:
quote:
Adding in the Second Law of Thermodynamics ("law of increasing entropy") leads to the conclusion that the likelihood of near-symmetrical collapse of the building due to fires (the "government" theory) -- requiring as it does near-simultaneous failure of many support columns -- is infinitesimal. Yet near-symmetrical collapse of WTC-7 was observed.
(Here.)
quote:
The idea that the WTC buildings fell straight down from asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires blatantly violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: Second ...thermodynamics - Wikipedia
In short, it is not possible to get an ordered reaction (here: straight-down collapse) from a disordered stimulus (here: asymmetric airplane crashes and subsequent random fires).
(Here.)
quote:
3. Initially, the dust from WTC2 formed very distinct cauliflower shapes which were resilient to diffusion for some time. However, eventually entropy increased, as we would expect, and the dust diffused into the air and the cauliflower shapes were no longer apparent. A very homogeneous appearance was then observed. This all occurred before the event in the OP. How does the diffused dust/air mixture then re-organize itself into the evident patterns of low and high density mixtures? If this is the formerly diffused dust/air mixture, the newly formed pattern would seem to have an increased amount of order. This would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics. What is the mechanical explanation for the increased order
(Here.)

  
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Message 105 of 151 (432479)
11-06-2007 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by subbie
08-24-2007 2:54 PM


Re: ok
These images show that it did not fall straight down, but was falling toward the south.
The did fall with a tendency towards one direction, but they were designed to fall straight down, so as not to take out other buildings. That was about the only thing that surprised me, as I did not know this, and though they were going to fall more towards one side then they did.

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