Was the destruction of the twin towers scientifically possible on 9/11

I had already suspended Randman when you posted your message. It seems to me that Randman believes the most effective way for him to debate is to make things personal. Accusing people of close-mindedness as he is doing now, or of bias and dishonesty which were his accusations of choice in past incarnations, allows him to move the focus from the topic to the people discussing the topic. Randman only introduces evidence into a discussion as a prelude to accusing people of close-mindedness, dishonesty, etc. Despite much moderator feedback, Randman apparently still thinks a discussion consisting primarily of accusations is useful.But Randman can also be a strong advocate for his positions, and many people enjoy discussing with him, which they can't do if he's suspended all the time. So I just wanted to say that though your post was off-topic, the attempt to help Randman understand the inherent fallacy of his approach is appreciated.Randman, if you're listening, all I want at EvC Forum is evidence, argument, rebuttal, over and over and over again. Yes, people can be biased, close-minded and dishonest, but last time I checked you were a people, too, and so you are as vulnerable to these human foibles as anyone else, which means they factor out of the equation. At this website you're expected to assume the best about your opponents while proving them wrong with facts and arguments. Those who keep drawing from the well of accusations will not last here long.

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I think the main problem with this thread is that we aren't talking about the scientific parts of the argument. People refute me with angry comments and relating me to creationists, and linking websites that don't even know how to do a citation correctly. Seriously the last site that was linked basically showed pictures saying "Look look! this picture shows a little damage." Science describes how and why phenomena occur. I don't know who was responsible, I don't know how it was possible that so many people would have had to plant the explosives, lastly I don't know why this happened.What I do know is that the phenomena the occurred on 9/11 is not completely explained to the point where we can come to a concise conclusion.It's funny that this is a forum about science but no one seems to be talking about it. No one has yet to explain why there is such a time delay when the buildings collapse. No one has explained why the buildings fall at such a high speed when they collapse. No one has explained how the concrete is pulverized to dust. No one has explained why there is molten steel spewing out of the side of the buildings and pools of molten steel which stay hot for months after the collapse. No one has explained the intense seismic occurrence that happened 15 seconds right before the building collapsed.Which is why I decided to go off topic for a second.How do you explain the enormous change in put options for airlines right before the attacks. For those of you that do not know what a put option is, it is a type of stock where you can profit if the stock goes down. For airlines it changed to about ten times what it was normally is a day before the attacks occurred.Let me give you guys a little lesson in history.In the 1930's Germany was a democracy much like our own until a very strange occurrence (Reichstag Fire)was brought about by what was supposedly political communist who were coming to Germany to spread their communist views. Of course later, about 15 years later, they confirmed that it was the Nazis that organized this in order to take power. Shortly after the fire though many of the citizens civil rights were taken away for fear of these communists. Soon enough this enabled the Nazis to start an immoral war. Soon enough they started torturing enemies, which soon spread to torturing citizens. A group then arose called the White Rose Group which originated from the University of Munich. They spoke out against the war and against the the Nazis. They were of course rediculed by the majority, and were eventually beheaded. Today they are revered as heroes.911
patriot act
Real I.D. act
Military commission act
H.R. 1955 act "Very important. Google it and read and tell me what you think." -Thought crime billI'm glad there is a limit as to how long you can be president, which makes me think we will be rid of all this nonsense when Obama wins the presidential election.

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I think the main problem with this thread is that we aren't talking bout the scientific parts of the argument

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Then bring up a scientific point.Mention 1, just one, and let us discuss that.You just mention various subjects, and tell us that no one has explained them. And when you get answered, you dont regonize the answer, you just skip on to mention the next subjects.Lets discuss some of the stuff in your latest post.

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No one has yet to explain why there is such a time delay when the buildings collapse

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Time delay.. what do you mean?

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No one has explained why the buildings fall at such a high speed when they collapse

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Simple answer, Becuase thousands of tons are falling down on them.Long answer, you should actually read the NIST reports.Besides, they didnt fall at "near free fall speeds".

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No one has explained how the concrete is pulverized to dust.

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Simple answer, Becuase thousands of tons are falling down on them.

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No one has explained why there is molten steel spewing out of the side of the buildings and pools of molten steel which stay hot for months after the collapse

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Because there were no molten steel. Hot, red, white glowing steel is not molten. Its hot. Ever seen a blacksmith at work?Cite your sources, where can we find any thing on this molten steel? Pictures, videos, analysis by a scientist. [quote]No one has explained the intense seismic occurrence that happened 15 seconds right before the building collapsed.[quote] Never heard this before. Again, cite your sources.
I doubt that it happened, but even if it did, there would be plenty of proper explenations. Among other things, buildings were starting to crumble.How would this, infact, how would ANY of your arguments prove an "inside job" or that it was a demolition?In one of your posts, you ask for evidence, but you do not ask for scientific analysis or any way of evidence.. you ask for VIDEOS... damn videos. What do you want? A video with creepy music showing random pictures of WTC and MS Paint drawings and some guy with a creepy voice telling you what happened without ever bringing proper evidence into the discussion?

Go for it. Speak for yourself. I see that you're in no rush to be the first. What do you mean? Do you think they should have collapsed the moment the planes hit, or what? Why? Do you have any science to back you up? Gra-vi-ty. Oh look, it's the CT version of the Gish Gallop.It would be nice if you provided any evidence of these claims. It would have been nicer still if you'd bothered to find out if they were true ... "molten steel", for pity's sake. Sheesh. Well, either you made that up (I'm still not seeing any evidence) or that was a coincidence, or someone knew that terrorists were going to cause panic using planes. Who could that have been? Oh yes ... of course ... the terrorists. Ooh, let's add another item to my list of why CTs are like creationists."Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right." No, the CTs will just decide that he's in on the Great Big Conspiracy and the nonsense will go on and on and on ...Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

RBP, just FYI.All of these "details" were discussed ad nauseum, upthread.

Hmm, then i probably should have read the whole thread, instead of just the last page before answering.I were at work and had a quick look at EvC and couldnt resist answering.I just read the whole thread through and i see all the topics he brought up are extensivly answered and need no further discussion.So just forget most of my post.Btw, theres no capital letters in my name.

This is a great topic (one of my favorites) I am an avid conspiracy theorist. I believe *looks over shoulder nervously* that Our Government (USA) purposely engaged in a false-flag terrorist attack against ourselves to give authority to go to war.I will be happy to back my claims later, I am going home from work early, feeling under the weather.

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It pisses me off to no end when I hear this horses***.

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Over the years, there has been silence to a continuous and ever emboldened tirade of falsehoods of history pouring our from the islamic world - and one must blame the EU, UN & Vatican for its fostering. Some all-time favourites in Europe and the Arab states:9/11 IS A ZIONIST/AMERICAN PLOT
JEWS ARE NOT JEWS BUT KAZARS
MOSES WAS A MUSLIM
THE JEWISH TEMPLE WAS A ZIONIST MYTH [There goes the gospels, which says one Jesus visited this mythicl temple]
THE PROTOCOLS IS REAL HISTORY
MUSLIMS ARE PALESTINIANS
ZIONISTS ARE OCCUPYING ZION
THE HOLOCAUST WAS A MONEY MAKING MYTH.ETC, ETC, ETC.The attrocity desecrating 9/11 should be made a crime - at least in America. This may send out a good message what is NOT free speech. I mention the EU & Vatican because they must not remain silent of falsehoods which emerged from Europe, and they must act as forthcoming historical witnesses. Silence here is a big no no, and breeds more falsehoods by its condoning via silence.

Is there any concern of guilt or remorse, if it was not a conspiracy theory by the US government - I mean what about the mourners, how would you compensate them/yourself?And what about these, are they too conspiracies:THE BALI BOMBINGSTHE MADRID BOMBINGS100S OF TERROR BOMBINGS IN ISRAEL100S OF TERROR BOMBINGS IN IRAQ, PAKISTAN AND LEBANON100S OF TERROR BOMBINGS IN INDIATHE LONDON BOMBINGS [INCLUDING SOME BIGGER THAN 9/11 WHICH WERE FOILED]NUMEROUS TERROR BOMBINGS IN THAILAND AND INDONESIANUMEROUS FOILED TERROR BOMBINGS IN AUSTRALIASTATEMENTS BY BIN LADEN AND INC., AND NUMEROUS TERROR GROUPS DECLARING IT A SACRED DUTY TO KILL THE INFIDELS.I say:'TO COVER ONE LIE - A 1000 TRUTHS MUST BE COVERED'Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

They laughed at Copernicus, they laughed at Galileo,
but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

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No one has explained why the buildings fall at such a high speed when they collapse.

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Gra-vi-ty.

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The towers were constructed that way. This was one of the first sky scrappers with this engineering, and it worked very well. A tall building now cannot be w/o this engineering, to protect surrounding structures.There is no credence in those who question 9/11. No one is that dumb, but many put up such a front. They just prefer denial. There has yet not been even a mention of Bin Laden as a mass murderer by his people, and no Fatwah. Its a sham.

The central support columns were made of think steel. Now the explanation for them folding was that they did not melt but rather they reached temperatures of uneven heat thus unevenly distributing the load other columns which lead to the initial collapse. That seems plausible.Now the question that has bugged me is why didn't the subsequent central steel columns on the lower floors, which weren't damaged give way with out seemingly any resistance, or why didn't they seemingly affect the fall of the structure.

The answer is that the floors in the building weren't designed (and no building is) to withstand the dynamic load of the top quarter of the building falling on it. The equation F = ma shows that the force load goes up as acceleration increases (ie the top of the building falling due to gravity ~9.8m/s/s). No other explaination should be needed.Edited by kjsimons, : Mixed up my physics equations.

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Yes but wouldn't the same force have broken the floors off the central support beams so that the force would have been considerably less. Anyway thank you I will go sit down with a physicist friend and get him to explain it.