Abortion - Moments of (Mis)Conception

No. But it's evidence that, despite what they say, people who oppose abortion don't consider it murder, nor do they consider conception to be the beginning of life.It's evidence that abortion foes are lying when they say it's not about punishing sexually active women.

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I realize there are people that an ab would not bother them in any way but there are others that it will tear their insides out.

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Then the second person shouldn't have an abortion if it isn't right for them.So, tell me, as a pastor, what are you doing to help prevent the need for abortion?

Her mother told her of her experience with her ab and it has affected how she has chose to live her live, still a virgin at 28. If it is justified does that make it right?By the way I don't have the job of denying or approving abortions. They are a fact of life. I think our court system took care of that. I said I did not get to hold a grandson. The fetus that was aborted was a male child and I never got to hold him.But if there had never been a grandchild at all that would have been fine by me. I see no discrepancy in that. As far as I am concerned they go to be with God.Remember just because I believe it that does not make it true.

Yes. To "justify" means to show that it is right. (Why doesn't a pastor know that?) Nor did you get to hold all the sperm cells, egg cells and other "potential grandchildren" that never developed. The question remains: Why do you pick an arbitrary step along the gestation trail?Why was that fetus a "grandchild" and the cells that joined to make it were not?

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I try to teach the adults to be responsible for their children.By this I mean that they need to teach their children from an early age about responsible sex. Most kids get their sex education from friends, TV and the Internet.I try to teach teen boys the proper respect for a lady. That she is something very special and that God made man and woman different for a reason. They are to procreate life on this earth. But I teach them that it should be done in a husband and wife relationship.
I teach that Sex is not bad as Paul teaches us that we should not withhold ourselves from our partner. I teach them they should find their soul mate as I found mine 53 years ago, (June 3rd will make 50 years of happy bliss). I teach them that no one is more important than their wife other than Jesus Christ. Mother and Father are to come after their wife and children.My wife teaches the teen Girls that they are created something special. That they should preserve themselves for their husband and put him above all else but Jesus. They are taught the same principals as the boys.I being a realist realize that people make bad choices so we also teach them about being responsible and if they cannot contain themselves they should by all means protect themselves.Someone who makes a mistake is never, never, never ever condemned. Jesus said "He that is without sin cast the first stone." Therefore there can be none cast.We have to work through the problems. And believe me there are all kinds of problems and I feel so inadequate to be able to help but I am trying to help and learn how I can be of better help.By the way I will say things in such a forum as this that I would never say in one such as pass.I hurt for Asgara in all of her pain and I know she is not getting any relief in a forum such as this. She is just being reminded of what has been blasted at her in the past. Even me stating what I believe about abortion. But I was stating what I believe.

Are you aware that, in scientific studies, none of these strategies have proven effective in reducing the incidence of teen pregnancy or abortions?If you're concerned about preventing abortions, why aren't you working to expand access to contraception? That's a proven effective strategy for preventing abortion, but it would require you to admit that women are sexual human beings, and that it's entirely appropriate for a person to choose to have sex inside of marriage, or outside, and that shaming women who choose to have sex isn't an effective means of preventing abortion.You'd have to stop the slut-shaming, in other words, if you were really concerned about preventing abortions. The techniques you're using, currently, are proven to have no effect on reducing abortions.

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The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000..justify, warrant These verbs mean to be a proper or sufficient reason for:...

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It does not say make it right. If there were other fetus's that aborted naturally that I do not know of I will meet them one day in heaven.Thanks Ringo I had never thought of those maybe I have hundreds of grandchildren in heaven. Ringo you put me on a spot with this one but I will answer at the edge of going off topic. I believe that when the sperm and egg fuse (conception) the fetus becomes a living soul.

Yes it does. If there is a "proper or sufficient reason", it is right.But right and wrong are not the topic here. I know that's your opinion. I'm asking why do you choose that moment for the soul to enter?What's the difference between a sperm and an egg that are two millimeters apart and a sperm and an egg that sre holding hands? What is the biological basis for your opinion and/or what is the Biblical basis for your opinion?(By the way, that is the topic here - see the OP.)

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Hi crashfrog, I am not dealing in scientific studies, I deal in reality with real people, and whether you or science believes my methods work or not THEY DO WORK.Will they work for everyone no way. Since 1969 until now only 3 girls and 1 boy we taught has messed up out of the hundreds that have sat in our classrooms. I just wish I could have done more. They are available everywhere, even in schools. But we will never pass them out to people in Church. It is my position 1 man 1 woman after marriage. I just have to deal with all the others because we are human not perfect beings. That may well be your position. But mine is that sex is not appropriate outside of marriage. crash you use a word in the above quote that I have never used or typed so that is a very bad representation of anything that I have posted.

No, they don't. I mean, how would you know? Do you think that the girls are lining up to tell you about their abortions? People keep secrets from people like you. Are you aware of that?You have no basis to conclude success. Scientific studies conclude that your techniques fail. That you don't agree that they do is irrelevant; we know from the science that you're wrong. And you're not doing any sort of quality control on your results, so you have no idea if you're wrong or not. That you know about. What does that have to do with anything? Are you under the impression that married people have no need for contraception, or that married women never get abortions?Do you see why your techniques might be unsuccessful? Because they're predicated on assumptions that bear no relationship to the reality of human beings?

You can take the 2 put them two millimeters apart and as long as they do not unite they will never produce a human being.

you are the one who keeps bragging that you had this position before you found god. you mentioned god; i mentioned back. i don't debate about god either. congratulations, you've accomplished nothing.

As you have been told repeatedly, most of those that do unite will never produce a human being either. They fail to implant or they abort spontaneously for whatever reason.Why do you not consider all of those failures "human"?Once again, why pick one magic moment for humanification? How is that magic moment unique, either biologically or Biblically?

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i'm not against helping these women. but banning abortion isn't going to help them. nor is calling their depression an imaginary stress syndrome.

Well, I can think of no reason why your teachings would hold less of a teenage boy's attention than a pair of pert, young, nubile tits.

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