HOW DO I GET THE GIRL I LOVE INTO LIKING ME???

Actually, I was talking about her experience, after she finds out you did this: and then say this about it: She might construe that as fucking with her mind.

Yup, 35-40, which places them within the 15-40 bracket...

Actually, I'll most likely die before that happens. The men in my family have a tendency to drop off the perch young.

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Yup, 35-40, which places them within the 15-40 bracket...

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Uh, I said that these things all came together at around that point....meaning, just starting to ramp up. You disregard women who are 40 and older, you miss out on a great time.Anyway, suit yourself.No sense casting pearls after swine.

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Actually, I'll most likely die before that happens. The men in my family have a tendency to drop off the perch young.

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you have my permission to stop the trend. Kindly do so and that would be an order.
a snappy salute is expected (LOL)This message has been edited by PecosGeorge, 02-02-2005 08:12 AM

Eh, you lay down a towel, and it's all good.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-02-2005 09:33 AM

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"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

Para, you are talking about somebody doing something TO somebody, and I am talking about somebody doing something WITH somebody.Let's examine the following scenario: Male subject meets female subject. Male subject finds female subject not just pretty good but excessively attractive. What should the male subject do at this crucial juncture?This is what he shouldn't do: a. don't ogle said female! b. don't touch said female! (not even supposedly innocuous touching like shoulder-touching, which is a tactile form of ogling). Does the male subject wish to do such things to the female subject? Of course he does, so in that technical sense, he is engaging in a pretense.
However, I would argue the following: all relationships, sexual or not, involve some element of pretense on both sides. We can go through them all: professional relationships (with bosses, peers, and subordinates); relationships with relatives (notoriously so); even relationships with close friends not to mention mere acquaintances: all these relationships involve pretense and rightly so, for otherwise we'd be at each other's throats constantly instead of maintaining some aura of civility. Why is this the case? Because we are all self-centered, that's why. What matters to us is us. Everybody else comes second (I think there are exceptions, to be mentioned later, in a future post).A sexual relationship is no different except that it is even more fragile in some ways.Now back to our scenario: What should the male subject do if he is not to ogle or touch? He must exercise resolute self-control. This is called in some cultures "being a gentleman." Or if that's too snooty for some, we can just say, "Don't be a jackass." He must talk to her just as he would talk to one of his male friends whose mind he finds interesting.Now let's assume that this excessively attractive female subject is also pretty fucking smart. After awhile--not immediately perhaps--she will begin to intuit what he's doing, and she, having had to put up with many a jackass in her day, will appreciate his self-restraint.And if she finds him somewhat attractive (he need not be "excessively attractive"), she will eventually seduce him.Mission accomplished. Everybody's happy.

Am I missing something here? Why on earth would one want to have sex on a television? Para, is this fashionable in your neck of the woods?This message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-02-2005 14:11 AMThis message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-02-2005 14:11 AM

Couldn't he, after a while, from one adult to another, just pop the question? Four more questions:1. What if she not so smart?
2. Why is it enough for him to be only "somewhat" attractive?
3. Why can't he seduce her?
4. Are all women the same?You need not answer, Robin. I'm just being recalcitrant. Your story shows a gentlemanly disposition.

I guess the definite article ('the') spoils the joke in English.Suppose you are asked: "What do you think of sex on TV?" You could, stretching your imagination a bit, interpret this as "having sex on top of a TV", which, I think you'll agree, doesn't seem very comfortable. The joke works better in Dutch, because in Dutch the definite article isn't out of place. In Dutch, you can say: "What do you think of sex on the TV?", and it would have the same meaning as the English question above. And for the literal interpretation the same grammar is used in Dutch. In English, it's awkward.Here endeth the lesson. Hey, I live in The Netherlands, what do you expect? Sometimes we even throw in a radio! The things you can do with an antenna...

You live in The Netherlands?I thought for certain you were English!(answers to your questions up next.)

What question? Do you mean, "Do you want to have sex?" Nobody asks that question. Unheard of. That would not do at all. 1. If she's not so smart her attractiveness for him will decrease rapidly, and he will eventually go away. Of course if she wants to do it fairly soon he will do it.
2. Now here's a question I can't answer but perhaps you can, being a woman. I am only giving you empirical data from my many experiences. The man only needs to be presentable.
3. He can attempt seduction in the traditional way but I have found in the past that this often backfires. It might work in a tactical sense, but it's bad strategy. The woman often feels taken advantage of in some vague way but if she does the seducing then there is no sense of being taken advantage of.
4. No,no, all women are certainly not the same. But there is a similarity in their behavior if they are (a) very attractive (and relatively young) and (b)smart. The reason for the similarity is that their sexual experiences and general experiences with men are similar. Often they are rather cynical.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-02-2005 16:39 AM

I didn't get the message in time, and I tried it out on THE television (I wanted to be in fashion). Not bad actually. If you leave a TV on for a long time it gets rather warm which is comforting.Tomorrow--the antenna.You have very creative ideas, Para. Keep them coming.This message has been edited by robinrohan, 02-02-2005 21:43 AM

But that is good enough if one is truly in love.I've been trying to woo you for months, Jacen! Am I even a friend yet? Thats a good one!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 02-03-2005 11:56 AM

I'm curious, Robin, what kind of success rate do you get with your technique?