The problem with EVC

How funny, a whole wagonload of irrelevant invective in response to my rather simple little and I would have thought unprepossessing statement about what makes for a valid satire, that it should make some effort to be recognizable or it's useless. I search in vain for one apropos statement in the above. Oh well.

What difference does it make about the name?

This could be true of just about any online forum. Indeed, any online community nay any community at all which is based around some property. In the goth community, there is snobbery about clothes, makep, bands, dancing etc. In the sports communities there is snobbery about statistics (knowing certain stats), games history, and loyalty/dedication etc.This community is a community that surrounds the written skill of rhetoric, of which logos forms a major part. As such there is likely to be some kind of intellectual snobbery or cliquiness. The fact that there are generally two 'camps', lends itself towards politics. We stop being human. I never thought it was that bad, though obviously I have noticed it; I just get on with it. I don't think anything could be further from the truth (heh). It is just that we use varying ways of pursuing the truth. Some use religion, some use science, some use other philosophies. The real fireworks begin to fly when someone from one philosophy attempts to demonstrate an inconsistency or problem with the position of another philosophy. For example, a creationist trying to show that evolution isn't science or an evolutionist trying to show a logical contradiction in the Holy Bible/concept of God etc.

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For what it's worth to you, my advice is get used to it. You don't have to get used to it here, but somewhere. Otherwise you are going to spend a lot of time finding problems in many areas of life surrounded by humans. If you are prepared to pursue the truth, even at the expense of your own worldview, then ride fearlessly.

ask IDists, they are the ones trying not to claim godditthe fact that in the end it comes down to god, means that anyone can claim anything because they just destroyed any objectivity they have

Wel, I am certainly geting a strong message: get out of town.

Maybe you should read the Holy Bible and then read up on the FSM. The appearance one should be easy (we were made in his image versus a pile of spaghetti with meatball eyes), the way they operate should be simple too (the first man was a midgit). I am not discussing any letter.As I pointed out earlier, one and two sentence replies mean that there are more posts that might otherwise be necessary. If you want to use this style in pursuit of answers that's fine, but there is no point taking up all the posts in this thread since that does not leave room to discuss the nature of your actual complaint.

I'm having trouble following you.FSM is just the usual debunkery of God we creationists encounter all the time here, put into a new silly form to give them new ways to laugh about it. They believe that the existence of God is unlikely to say the least, so they invent this FSM to express this unlikelihood and permit them a new mindless way to ridicule us.None of their concepts ever gets anywhere near the reality. It's always a gross misrepresentation of what we believe. Having a serious conversation about it has always been impossible here. I'm not sure why their putting it in this silly form is worth taking on as you are. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I trust that this message wasn't from me. My message was 'such is the nature of things. Get used to it, trying to change it is like pissing in the wind'. An entirely different message than 'get out of town'.

I think in many words angle is saying it is satire, but since its some of your views, its not funny to you
which is how satire works, i mean i've read satire of nerds that i found far from funny but its still satire.
and yes it effectively represents ID - at least how most people precieve ID - basicly another form of goddit

Who are you to judge my religious beliefs?

I don't recognize my views in it. I mostly ignored the thread. It's just the usual nutty objections turned into a concrete form for their own entertainment.

i think robin is trying to force logic into religious beliefs, but beliefs arn't really logical (or else we wouldn't have people who believe there was a worldwide flood and rapid evolution of animals still)

how is it nutty, its basicly saying, if we teach ID in science class,we might as well teach that a giant monster made out of noodles created the universe, since ID is about as plausable as that.
thats the jist of the FSM, its satire of the fact that why is this belief valid but the others arn't? why not teach something just as off the wall as ID. they both do not really add anything to science, nor teach anythingEdited by ReverendDG, : No reason given.

I think Robin knows the questions about God are serious questions and objects to the trivializing stupidities that are indulged in by people who have never given it a moment's serious thought; and he thinks he can show how this is the case by taking on the specifics of the satire. The problem is there isn't a shred of seriousness in the satire, it just reflects the silly stupidities we always encounter here.

I don't agree with most of ID, but I certainly agree with their basic contention that created things have the stamp of a Creator on them.Robin isn't addressing ID or any form of creationism, merely the portrait of the Creator.