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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The problem is not that the news is left or right leaning. The problem is timidity. It is the job - the responsibility - of the press to question the actions of the government, and to question statements made by government officials. They have failed at that task, and failed miserably.
Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
It isn't my evidence, it's Goldberg's, according to the review. He documents the Ivy League backgrounds of the major news pundits, Ivy League being leftist. Wait, wait, wait. His evidence that the media is liberal-biased is that the major news pundits are well educated? I always love the "education=liberal/lack of education=conservative" argument. It's like conservatives making arguments for us. "We had survived to turn on the History Channel And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied: You're what happens when two substances collide And by all accounts you really should have died." -Andrew Bird
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
In a recent thread, it was claimed in an aside that the US mainstream news media, including PBS, was "leftist". I quite enjoy alot of PBS specials and always have, but they are transparently to the left. But you know what, they are a Public Broadcasting network and they reserve the right to believe as they want. Who does NOT have the right to be biased in any way, shape or form are the major media outlets. Their job is to report news, not create their own version of events or distort the facts or suppress information that might run counter to their penchant for going to the left. If the media leaned any further towards pro-liberal views your tv would fall on its left side. http://www.mediaresearch.org/
There was a vain attempt made, by several posters, to point out to the claimant that the news outlets mentioned were generally centrist, not leftist, and that their own far-right position made them think that everything left of their own view was "leftist". I want a centrist media. I don't need to hear conservative or liberal flavors, I just need the facts!
I myself asked the claimant the obvious question, "CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS are all Communist news media?" Some are worse than others. I'll put them in order of blatant bias. Slanted to the Left: 1. CBS2. ABC 3. PBS 4. NBC Slanted to the Right:1. FOX Centroid:1. MSNBC As far as newspapers go, I only read one. Page not found
because, to me, "leftist" means "Communist". That's one version of the leftist. Those are the ultra-leftwing wingnuts. Socialists are a tamer version.
[qs]I am hoping that someone (hopefully the claimant) can show how the US mainstream mnews media is truly leftist and not centrist.[qs]
Watch what they choose to cover and what they don't. The Chinese government is harvesting peoples organs, but no, they feel compelled to lower morale by informing us when US soldiers die or when an Iraqi civilian got caught in the crossfire. I think harvesting organs is pretty big news, don't you? And yet, not a word of it. We apologize for the inconvenience... - United States Department of State “Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually, the responsibility of the press is to be objective, neutral, and keep their opinions to themselves.
You just wish they were all-out leftist condemners of the right instead of restrained by at least a modicum of human decency.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Perhaps Nemesis Juggernaut's rankings would be my own, I don't know. He says MSNBC is centrist. I've had that impression too, but I don't see much TV any more. I can only get CBS because I can't afford cable. Sometimes I want to throw something at the screen. Sometimes I turn it off in the middle of a supposed "news" report. Surprised if PBS and NPR aren't obvious leftist to you, but I haven't paid any attention to them in a long time either.
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berberry Inactive Member |
Dan Carroll writes:
quote: Hehe, yeah I love that too, but I really did read that book by Goldberg and I think he was pretty much dead-on. I started to notice a left-wing tilt at CBS years before I even knew who Goldberg was. I can't stand the man, but I think he's right about CBS, at least during the period that my mother used to watch Dan Rather. Even if he was wrong about the bias, I tended to believe some of the things he said about Rather. It just sounded too credible, given Rather's public tantrums during the 80s. At any rate, Goldberg has his own biases and he brings them to bear on his book, just like any committed right-winger or committed left-winger would when they're trying to convince someone of something. That's different than reporting the news, and I think most of the mainstream news sources try to provide unbiased coverage. They don't always succeed, but I think most of them try. Fox is unquestionably biased and so, probably, is CNN. I don't see much bias in NPR's, NBC's and MSNBC's straight reporting, and I'd like to see the evidence for it. We're on page 2 of this thread now and we still haven't seen any.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
clearly i was not talking about pbs. pbs is an entirely separate entity. it is run i believe by a board and has a federal oversight committee. it is generally a public forum and not so much a single source dispersing information.
but then the only things on pbs are charlie rose, nature and sesame street. that's hardly investigative journalism and biting political punditry.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Ypur "Media Research Centre" which proudly states that it is "The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and Meutralising Libearl Merdia Bias" would seem to have an agenda of its own.
In short it might well call a centrist report leftist - especially if it criticised conservatives.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, does this mean that you call "leftist" any media or, say, government entity that advocates strong central governement influence on the activities of American citizens?
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
I hate the Libearl Merdia Bias! It must be meutralised immediately!
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Actually, the responsibility of the press is to be objective, neutral, and keep their opinions to themselves.
However, the timid press has been keeping the truth to themselves. They allowed Bush to consistently and systematically lie to the public, with barely a murmur of disagreement. Compassionate conservatism - bringing you a kinder, gentler torture chamber
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Perhaps Nemesis Juggernaut's rankings would be my own, I don't know. He says MSNBC is centrist. Yeah, I don't watch too much tv anymore because I usually get the urge to throw something at the screen too. And who wants to be like that? I don't know, it just seems like MSNBC is making a concerted effort. But then again, I went down to basic cable and I no longer watch it. So who knows what's going anymore. “Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oddly enough, nwr, your idea that Bush has lied is spin, leftist spin. Many of us see no lies in anything Bush has said. One would think that a lie would be an objective thing, but interestingly it isn't. I've seen all kinds of accusations of lies against posters right on this site that I know were false. So all I can say is that your leftist bias is clouding your vision on this subject.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Ypur "Media Research Centre" which proudly states that it is "The Leader in Documenting, Exposing and Meutralising Libearl Merdia Bias" would seem to have an agenda of its own. In short it might well call a centrist report leftist - especially if it criticised conservatives. I never said that it wasn't run by a Conservative-based group. But then again, they aren't reporting news, now are they? What they do, and do well, is gather all the data to inform the public who are otherwise blind to it. All they do is point out how certain anchors manipulate the dialogue to get the response they seek or point out what the stories they cover and what they don't. Just watch the videos. It isn't the Media Research Center that is putting the words in the anchors mouths. This is kind of like how I get flamed for "quote mining," as if I had something to do with answers of other people. I'm just quoting their words. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the people who said it. Don't shoot the messenger. “Always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you.” -1st Peter 3:15
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You didn't happen to mentin that the "Media Research Centre" WAS run by a conservative organisation either, did you ?
And your comments about "quote mining" practically admit that the MRC is engaged in misrepresentation by taking quotes out of context or otherwise doctoring them - which is what "quote mining" is.o
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