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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I'm doing that because I don't know what else to call "hearing God's voice and speaking with Him."
I would be inclined to call that schizophrenia or self-delusion, though in some cases it is probably a matter of lying by the person who claims that experience. Let's end the political smears
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
brennakimi writes:
Yes. But why is it "self-righteous" of me if I am not bicameral? Why isn't bicamerality the true landscape of self-righteousness? How could I call myself "self-righteous" if I don't believe in God or don't hear bicameral voices? Is it self-righteous of me to believe that I'm more evolved than people who say I will go to hell if I don't believe as they do? are you then suggesting that you're more evolved than the religious? that's an awfully self-righteous assumption for you to make. ”HM
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3950 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Is it self-righteous of me to believe that I'm more evolved than people who say I will go to hell if I don't believe as they do? i'm not talking to you anymore.
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faust  Suspended Member (Idle past 5931 days) Posts: 16 Joined: |
quote: Certain hallucinogens can cause auditory hallucinations. The nightshade family is known for it. Particularly belladonna and datura.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
brennakimi writes:
Why not? Does my honesty offend you? Is it self-righteous of me to believe that I'm more evolved than people who say I will go to hell if I don't believe as they do?
i'm not talking to you anymore. ”HM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
As per the definition of concious it is real; it exists and is operative in intelligent life and perhaps may be bicameral.
Some of us have had experiences which would be considered metaphysical. We can't prove that, but we know it from experience. One must be connected with the metaphysical; i.e. on line so to speak via a connection or medium. As I understand the word, bicameral, we would consider ourselves to have a bicameral conciousness. Merriam Webster Definition Of Concious:
1: perceiving, apprehending, or noticing with a degree of controlled thought or observation 2archaic : sharing another's knowledge or awareness of an inward state or outward fact 3: personally felt 4: capable of or marked by thought, will, design, or perception 5: self-conscious 6: having mental faculties undulled by sleep, faintness, or stupor : awake 7: done or acting with critical awareness 8 a: likely to notice, consider, or appraise b: being concerned or interested Conscious Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Buz, do you think it is possible for one person to communicate what human consciousness means to another without either one being totally dependent upon the use of metaphors and analogs?
”HM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
What would Rev. Falwell say about that?
Nothing, he's dead. hoot, you haven't even demonstrated that human mind ever was bicameral (it wasn't), or that bicamerality would produce such things (it doesn't). and that's a far cry from asserting that people today have some mental defect.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1366 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
nwr writes:
Yes, I have strayed somewhat from the usual meaning. I wondering what you mean by "bicameral". What you are saying doesn't match what I take to be the usual meaning. yes, a lot like ray strays from the usual meaning of "darwinism." one of the first signs of a commitment to a bad ideology is when you have to start redefining words with accepted meanings.
I'm doing that because I don't know what else to call "hearing God's voice and speaking with Him." I'm calling it "bicameral." What would you call it? Just more Tinkerbell foolishness? actually hearing voices that you think are god is called "schizophrenia." i think you'll find that a good man people who claim to communicate with god are not schizophrenic. some might be liars, but most just want to fit in or have been conditioned to believe certain parts of the their normal conscious internal dialog are god.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
According to Merriam Webster the definition of bicameral is two legislative chambers, (i.e. as I understand that, two operative avenues of concious determination.)
Examples as I understand this would be the two conciously operative legislative chambers of our government or the physical and metaphysical realms of existence as some of us Biblical creationists claim to be conciously operative. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
actually hearing voices that you think are god is called "schizophrenia."
Yes, and that was Jaynes' point. Bicameral people who pray to God and get answers are actually suffering from symptoms of schizophrenia. This means 40% of Americans are suffering from bicameral schizophrenia, including our consciousness-challenged president. Maybe you ought to read Jaynes' book. You're letting others form your opinions for you. ”HM
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
According to Merriam Webster the definition of bicameral is two legislative chambers, (i.e. as I understand that, two operative avenues of concious determination.)
Jaynes was using the term to refer to the alleged separation between left brain and right brain. Let's end the political smears
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Bicameral people who pray to God and get answers are actually suffering from symptoms of schizophrenia.
I doubt that. Most people who talk of "hearing God talk to them" are using that phrase metaphorically, and will admit that they are using it metaphorically if asked. Let's end the political smears
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5522 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
nwr writes:
Yes, of course. Does anybody ever talk without using metaphors. This is what Jaynes was talking about”metaphors”and using metaphors to talk about them. Most people who talk of "hearing God talk to them" are using that phrase metaphorically, and will admit that they are using it metaphorically if asked. My point, as is Jaynes', is that bicamerality and schizophrenia are not too far apart. And bicamerality is a political imperative. Do you suppose someone could be elected president of the United States if he or she claimed to have never prayed or spoken with God? Even if you never did you better say you did and lie about your bicamerality. Otherwise you'll lose all your bicameral voters, who amount to about 40% of the electorate. Sad but true: In bicamerality we trust. ”HM
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
My point, as is Jaynes', is that bicamerality and schizophrenia are not too far apart.
You seem to be using "bicamerality" to mean something like "religiosity." And, sorry, that is not at all similar to schizophrenia. Let's end the political smears
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