So difficult to keep up! (Re: Memeber of the religious right running morally amuck)

i didn't say they were. i said being raped and being groped by my friend's dad were equivalent to me. now maybe date rape just isn't as bad as being raped by a stranger, but i can't know that. but often, that sexual violation is worsened by battery which is a separate organism.but i think you just weren't paying attention.

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having been groped and raped, i no longer see the difference between the two.

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There's a difference, regardless of how you feel about it.

Hadn't noticed this thread until today, and reading the recent exchanges about rape I wondered how this thread began. Reading from page one I came across your post where you say: There are more things (far, far more things) in normality than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Give the Sex is Fun Podcasts ("dedicated to a rational discussion of human sexuality") a listen and expand your horizons. Given where you're starting from, prepare to be shocked and appalled by what is normal. There's more to sex than Dr. Ruth ever let on! Enjoy! --Percy

sourceBrown County Republican Party chairman faces sex chargesFleischman's attorney denies allegationsBy Andy Nelesen
anelesen@greenbaypressgazette.comThe chairman of the Republican Party in Brown County faces criminal charges for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.He was summoned to Brown County court for his initial appearance on Sept. 28. He is free having posted a signature bond as his promise to return to court.Fleischman's lawyer, Jeff Jazgar, said he plans to confront the charges at the preliminary hearing set for Oct. 29. He declined to discuss specifics of the allegations."My client is innocent of the charges," Jazgar said Friday. "Our plan is to get some witnesses to testify and present enough information to dismiss the case.Efforts to reach Fleischman were unsuccessful Friday.Green Bay police went to Fleischman's Goodell Street home Nov. 19, 2006, looking for two runaways from Ethan House, a juvenile facility on nearby Emilie Street, according to the criminal complaint filed Sept. 7.Fleischman opened the door and allowed officers inside where they found a 16-year-old boy hiding on the floor of a walk-in closet wearing only underwear and a T-shirt, the complaint said.Officers found a black, purple and blue-swirled glass pipe in the living room, which tested positive for marijuana residue, the complaint said.Police returned to Fleischman's home on Dec. 8, 2006, and found the boy there again. He had been a runaway from Ethan House for eight days.The teen, now 17, told authorities Fleischman took him to a hotel in Appleton during that time and then to a cabin near Florence for several days before returning to Fleischman's Allouez home. The boy said Fleischman provided him with beer and marijuana, the complaint said.The boy told police that when he would go to bed, Fleischman would fondle him and that on one occasion he awoke to find Fleischman at the foot of his bed masturbating.Detectives obtained the boy's drug tests from the days around the time he spent with Fleischman, and three samples from late November and early December tested positive for marijuana.Fleischman has resigned his post with the Brown County Republicans, said Kirsten Kukowski, communications director for the Republican Party of Wisconsin.Efforts to confirm Fleischman's resignation with local leadership were unsuccessful Friday.If convicted on both felonies and all three misdemeanors, Fleischman faces 52 years in prison.

I've got my money on 60. I'd go as high as 75.The work that's being done is this area is brand spanking new.Hell. We've only had the entire human genome to play with ... what ... 10 years now?And we're just now getting around to sequencing "individual" genomes (Venter and Watson).It's gonna take a whole lotta genomes before we can nail down the numbers.But, I'll tell you this much.I play with DNA for a living (biochem PhD student ... ribozymes) and I got a gut feeling we're talking 60% = genetic minimum. I got no truck with folks' "explanations" either.T'were it up to me, I would design a study that gathers an absurd amount of data re: sexual behavior only. Swamp those nasty false signals in the gargantuan data set.Then I would take each of those individuals' DNA and shotgun those puppies.Then we'd see what's what.Alas. Tis not to be.I toil in the pits of abiogenesis.

Lordy, nator, don't remind me.That kidney infection knocked me on my ass.I felt like I had been cut in half. Spent a couple of days on the couch half delirious from the pain.And, while I realize this is anecdotal, I get laid, I get a UTI.I have a dry spell, I pee with comfort, thank you very much.(Too lazy tonight to hit pubmed and dredge up the cites re: UTIs and sex.)

We were talking about phallic objects, are we not? Where does sperm and the pH balance of the vagina factor in to the equation? Vagina's are designed, whether by God or through natural selection, to conform perfectly the penis. Heck, a vagina and the penis were built for each other. Juxtaposing the anatomy of the two sexual organs unambiguously supports this.And it thus renders your tangent about sperm moot, since you seem to be conflating issues that have nothing do with one another. By what-- default? Could we say that nostrils are for ingestion, not expulsion, simply because objects, powders, and liquids can physically make its way up them? You said something that in an earlier post that seemed to imply that you were both gay and fond of anal sex, which would account for my asking. I'm sure you have amazing credentials, but a sex educator doesn't sound like a real job to me. But I should always allow the benefit of doubt. It could be the coolest job known to man for all I know.Where do you practice, doctor? UCSD? As erotic as that sounds and all, my backdoor is an exit only. But don't let me ruin your fun. I'm sure a prolapsed rectum is oodles of fun. I had a great one last night as a matter of fact, thank you very much. I'll give my wife your regards though. I've noticed a few people saying that I haven't factored in the teeth... Of course I have. If teeth factor in to fellatio, then the giver is doing something wrong.But all this is aside from the point. I would be very curious to the ratio of infection between anal and oral sex. If ever such figures were taken, I certainly wouldn't be surprised that 95% comes from the anal side of the house. Say what you want. Its all documented. Obviously both parties would be tested prior too. Or in the unheard of case of people abstaining until marriage, such a thing would not be necessary. I listed condom breakage as a factor of considerable consequence in anal sex. Which happens more often, in your professional opinion: Condoms tend to break more in the vagina or the rectum? The vagina produces its own lubrication, whereas the anus does not, which is another sure way of knowing that one is for sexual intercourse and the other is not. Being that there are far less gay men than there are heterosexuals, I wouldn't doubt that it occurs less. However, the tiny fraction is simply not plausible. I'd be curious to see any documentation to the contrary, however. I would agree. You object to the name, since it seems exclusive only to gay men. And that's fine. I was not bringing that up to undermine homosexual males, but rather as an evidentiary claim that anal is not advised from a medical perspective. Back when I was a philandering man-whore, this never appeared to be a problem for me and my partners. Buyt the delivery method of said infectious agents should be taken in to account, should they not? After sharing hypodermic needles, via intravenous routes, is not anal sex the number one way to procure such diseases? What is hysterical about it? I never said they were ineffective. I said that during anal sex, because of the anatomy of the rectum, makes them inadequate protection. Condoms, when used properly, during vaginal intercourse are quite effective. Not foolproof, certainly. But effective. Anal sex makes the protection inadequate, whether used properly or not.Surely you must know this is a fact since condom companies have introduced a series specifically designed to hold up to the rigors of anal sex. Obviously there is much truth in what I said. You should try your own jagged pill pill some time. Its hard to swallow. Whew! Thanks for the heads up... Well, you must be invested at least in part, being that you've taken the time to respond to each and every one of my posts, whether directed to you or someone else.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

if teeth are not a factor, the giver is doing something wrong. i assure you. quibble. the vagina does not actually make it's own lubrication. the lubricant is released by glands outside the vagina. also, after menopause, these glands work significantly less. is a vagina after cessation of menses not meant for intercourse? many vaginas before the cessation of menses require additional lubrication to prevent significant pain. are these vaginas not meant for intercourse?

Hrm, really? Because as often as you pop up with the same old misinformation about sex between men - which you give with such obvious glee - I really rather doubt you're so straight and narrow.It's almost axiomatic, at this point, that the most adamant attackers of homosexuality in public are on the down-low in private. Larry Craig, Ted Haggard, Tommaso Stenico, Mark Foley, that guy in Florida, the kid who runs College Republicans (arrested for fellating guys in their sleep - probably wasn't using the teeth), it just goes on and on with you people.So, you know, you can proclaim your exit-only butthole all you want but you're not convincing anybody. Are you just maybe trying to convince yourself?

Well, the penis conforms perfectly to a lot of places (I'm told) - mouth, rectum, cleavage, hand, feet.... And the vagina conforms pretty well to tongue, fingers....It hardly seems fair for you to pick the one-and-only God-given juxtaposition.

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Effing Christ. The list I did before was just what I had from memory, but I pop up Pandagon to read the day's blogging and there's another two or three of the "family values" crowd doing things that we never heard of in my family.Brown County Wisconsin GOP chair charged with fondling boy, exposing self

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The chairman of the Republican Party in Brown County faces criminal charges for allegedly fondling a 16-year-old Ethan House runaway and providing the boy with beer and marijuana late last year.

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Donald Fleischman, 37, of Allouez, was charged last month with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.

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Illinois: ”Christian’ clown busted for molestation, child porn

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The 57-year-old Carlock, who’s myriad of jobs includes performing locally as “Klutzo” the clown, was charged in federal court Tuesday with possessing child pornography and traveling to engage in sexual conduct with a minor.

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. Until this week, however, Carlock had never been arrested or charged with any crime involving a child.

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As Carlock was being released from a psychiatric facility Tuesday, federal authorities arrested him on charges that he went to the Philippines to photograph naked boys and that he had sexually abused three boys there.

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NJ, seriously - maybe you ought to concentrate a little less on your sniggering fantasies about Ian McKellen filling his Depends and ask yourself "what the fuck is wrong with us?" a little more often. Do you simply see this parade of moral hypocrisy and pedophilia and wave it off? "Oh, it's just as bad on the left, if not worse?"Because it's not. Gay people over here on our side don't have to fellate sleeping college students and take "wide stances" in men's rooms, generally, because of all the work we've done opposing the closet and the social opprobrium that necessitates it. What the hell is wrong with you people?Edited by crashfrog, : Corrected grammar - this sentence no verb.

I read a story on one of the bleeding heart liberal blogs. I know it might be made up, but I don't think so.Ann Coulter would be proud of this guy, I'm sure.The thing I'd like to point out is that you simply don't hear of Liberals doing this kind of thing. Like, ever.Another thing I'd like to point out is that when you do hear about this sort of thing, the wingnuts are always calling people "faggot". You go to the hatemail archive of any liberal blog and it is remarkable to note how all-pervasive the invective "faggot" is. Again, you just don't see that sort of thing coming from the Liberals hardly ever.But no, conservatives aren't bigots. Of course not. SourceEdited by nator, : No reason given.

Since you're the expert I won't disagree. Let the scraping begin. Useless semantics. The point is that the vagina very clearly is designed for sexual intercourse. Can you make the same astute observation for anal sex beyond, "Well, if it fits....?" So? Is that suppose to undermine the point that vagina's are designed for sex? The remainder of the female sexual organs don't work well, along with the rest of the body as we age. Is that really all that surprising, or moreover, how does that justify the assertions?

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

it seems very obvious to me that if the lubrication glands are external to the vagina and the anus is "downhill," then the same glands may provide sufficient lubrication depending on the care and concern of the partner and the amount of lubrication (which depends highly on each individual). if sex is meant for procreation and the justification for intercourse is sufficient lubrication, then, yes, that would mean that a post-menopausal woman's vagina is not an appropriate vessel.

Juggs, if you have the time, I'd appreciate a reply.Thank you! Message #143Edited by nator, : No reason given.